<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Agreed. A policy decision on this matter has been taken already in the negative. Let’s not re-discuss issues already debated to death.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Volker</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 11. Mar 2018, at 14:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" class="">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">This issue was discussed in depth during the PPSAI (proxy privacy) PDP.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">--</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; 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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">-------------------------------</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 11:24<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" class="">6.internet@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a name="_MailOriginalBody" class="">Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying the domain names used in commercial manner amongst the existing hundreds of million registered domains. Please also identify how this determination can be updated automatically once the use of a domain name changes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></a></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">The fact is that commercial use is content. ICANN does not deal with content except for very small and specific areas. ICANN and registrars have no relationship with the content that is published under a domain name. We certainly have no control over specific uses. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the laws in Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to duplicate this in whois.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Volker<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian muthusamy <</span><a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span class="">6.internet@gmail.com</span><span class=""></span></a><span class="">> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Private persons (including private persons in a public career or a career of public exposure) need privacy. Why is this notion extended to protect online commercial entities of varying ethical standards? Does </span><span class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce</span></span><span class=""> have a right to privacy of its Registrant data? <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Their customers don't look for contact information from RDS, but in the entity's commercial web site, but the information is not there. Many online entities </span></span><span class="">operate from behind layers of veil that separate them from customers and enable them to carry on their commercial activity with minimal or non-existent accountability. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce sells millions of air tickets but does not seem to have a building somewhere, and/or does not have an employee with a name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes your money, takes your information without disclosing any of its own, and does not have a phone number or answer email messages (</span></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: ABeeZee, serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">operates through call centers, answers email messages by templates) </span></span><span class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">when you are stranded Midway with a ticket that doesn't work. Yourcasino takes your credit card number, yourpharmacy takes your money and medical data, yourholiday owns your passport, and all these entities don't have an email address, phone number or a building with a person. </span></span><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data privacy where it concerns an online entity that carries out commercial monetary transactions online? That would require us to discriminate between private persons and e-commerce entities, which would be a complex process - agreed. Nevertheless, could we think about this?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Sivasubramanian M<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br class=""></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span class=""></span></a><span class=""><br class=""><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">-- <br class="">Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<br class=""><br class="">Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br class=""><br class="">Volker A. 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