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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">ICANN can receive
          legitimate complaints and act on them.  There is a field for
          organization, if it is filled with a legal person entity the
          problem is solved, in terms of data protection law.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-03-11 15:22, Silver, Bradley
      via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:5E08CDB2-51A6-45DE-B5AF-11CC8953FEFA@timewarner.com">
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      Steve, I think there is a difference between ICANN regulating
      content (which it cannot do), and identifying whether domains are
      used for a commercial purpose.  <br>
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        On Mar 11, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Crocker <<a
          href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" moz-do-not-send="true">steve@shinkuro.com</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Domain names and web sites are not the same.  I
            think you're suggesting that ICANN would need to know which
            domain names have web sites associated with them and then
            which of those accept payments in some form.  This is
            digging pretty deeply into content, which is precisely what
            ICANN does not and must not do.
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            <div>Steve</div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 3:06 PM,
              sivasubramanian muthusamy
              <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 11, 2018 1:01
                            PM, "John Bambenek" <<a
                              href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                              <div dir="auto">Simple. You ask them. “Is
                                this domain owned by an individual for
                                non-commercial purposes?”</div>
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                    </span>
                    <div>Another way is make a distinction is to
                      separate all websites that have a payment gateway
                      / that accept payments in some form.</div>
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                                  <div>If we find domains engaged in
                                    commerce registered as personal and
                                    non-commercial, then we send a
                                    complaint. Sure, we gotta define
                                    commercial but surely that is not
                                    hard. We use whatever taxing
                                    authority for the jurisdiction
                                    says. </div>
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id="m_5463518363942282353m_-530260096687497912m_778932649175744625AppleMailSignature">--
                                      <div>John Bambenek</div>
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                                        On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:24,
                                        Volker Greimann <<a
                                          href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                        <div>Please provide a workable,
                                          reasonable method of
                                          identifying the domain names
                                          used in commercial manner
                                          amongst the existing hundreds
                                          of million registered domains.
                                          Please also identify how this
                                          determination can be updated
                                          automatically once the use of
                                          a domain name changes.
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>The fact is that
                                            commercial use is content.
                                            ICANN does not deal with
                                            content except for very
                                            small and specific areas.
                                            ICANN and registrars have no
                                            relationship with the
                                            content that is published
                                            under a domain name. We
                                            certainly have no control
                                            over specific uses. </div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>These details belong on
                                            the websites, as is provided
                                            in the laws in Europe and
                                            other jurisdictions. There
                                            is no need to duplicate this
                                            in whois.</div>
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                                          <div>Volker</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                            <div><br>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                                <div>On 9. Mar 2018, at
                                                  07:49, sivasubramanian
                                                  muthusamy <<a
                                                    href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>
                                                  wrote:</div>
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                                                    <div dir="auto">Private
                                                      persons (including
                                                      private persons in
                                                      a public career or
                                                      a career of public
                                                      exposure) need
                                                      privacy. Why is
                                                      this notion
                                                      extended to
                                                      protect online
                                                      commercial
                                                      entities of
                                                      varying ethical
                                                      standards? Does <span
style="font-family:sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.o<wbr>nlinecommerce</span> have
                                                      a right to privacy
                                                      of its Registrant
                                                      data? 
                                                      <div dir="auto"><font
face="sans-serif"><br>
                                                        </font>
                                                        <div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif">Their customers don't look for contact
                                                          information
                                                          from RDS, but
                                                          in the
                                                          entity's
                                                          commercial web
                                                          site, but the
                                                          information is
                                                          not there.
                                                          Many</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif"> online entities </span>operate from
                                                          behind layers
                                                          of veil that
                                                          separate them
                                                          from customers
                                                          and enable
                                                          them to carry
                                                          on their
                                                          commercial
                                                          activity with
                                                          minimal or
                                                          non-existent
                                                          accountability. </div>
                                                        <div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                        <div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif"><a
                                                          href="http://Yourairlinereservations.online"
moz-do-not-send="true">Yourairlinereservations.online</a><wbr>commerce
                                                          sells millions
                                                          of air tickets
                                                          but does not
                                                          seem to have a
                                                          building
                                                          somewhere,
                                                          and/or does
                                                          not have an
                                                          employee with
                                                          a name. </span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.<wbr>onlinecommerce</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif"> takes your money, takes your information
                                                          without
                                                          disclosing any
                                                          of its own,
                                                          and does not
                                                          have a phone
                                                          number or
                                                          answer email
                                                          messages (<span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:ABeeZee;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">operates
                                                          through call
                                                          centers,
                                                          answers email
                                                          messages by
                                                          templates) </span>when
                                                          you are
                                                          stranded
                                                          Midway with a
                                                          ticket that
                                                          doesn't work.
                                                          Yourcasino
                                                          takes your
                                                          credit card
                                                          number,
                                                          yourpharmacy
                                                          takes your
                                                          money and
                                                          medical data,
                                                          yourholiday
                                                          owns your
                                                          passport, and
                                                          all these
                                                          entities don't
                                                          have an email
                                                          address, phone
                                                          number or a
                                                          building with
                                                          a person.  </span></div>
                                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div dir="auto">Could
                                                          we do away
                                                          with this
                                                          notion of
                                                          (Registrant)data
                                                          privacy where
                                                          it concerns an
                                                          online entity
                                                          that carries
                                                          out commercial
                                                          monetary
                                                          transactions
                                                          online? That
                                                          would require
                                                          us to
                                                          discriminate
                                                          between
                                                          private
                                                          persons and
                                                          e-commerce
                                                          entities,
                                                          which would be
                                                          a complex
                                                          process -
                                                          agreed.
                                                          Nevertheless,
                                                          could we think
                                                          about this?</div>
                                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>Sivasubramanian
                                                          M</div>
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