<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">So, not only does it provide nothing new, it makes some fundamental assumptions about ICANN's mission that are narrow, self-serving and frankly, incorrect.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">And not only does it provide nothing new, it doesn't even appear to be new. It was approved on November 27/28, almost 3 1/2 months ago. Yet it is dumped on our doorstep oh-so-coincidentally on the very eve of ICANN 61, for maximum effect and minimum ability to react and respond.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I've tried to find out more about this group and I have been stymied. Their so-called website is a couple of pages (at best) on the German DPA's website. There is no list of members, no record of the meeting in Paris where this was approved, no indication who participated in the preparation of this paper and what their roles were. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see that from a group of privacy advocates. I do long for the day when "transparency" and "accountability" were considered good things.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Given the above, I would give this high marks as propaganda, but I'll withhold my judgment otherwise, until I can actually give this thing a close read. What I won't do is treat it as if it were tablets brought down from the mount, before which I should prostrate myself, trembling in fear and awe.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Victoria Sheckler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com" target="_blank">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">I’m concerned about the overly narrow view of the purpose of a domain name registrant database in this paper. I note that one of ICANN’s commitments in its bylaws include:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;background:white">The concept behind that ICANN commitment doesn’t seem to be captured in the purpose assumed by the analysis in the Berlin Group working paper.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;background:white">In addition, I note that the ICANN bylaws contemplate that<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;background:white">“Subject to applicable laws, </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">ICANN</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;background:white"> shall use
commercially reasonable efforts to enforce its policies relating to registration directory services and shall work with </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Supporting Organizations</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;background:white"> and </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Advisory
Committees</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;background:white"> to explore structural changes to improve accuracy and access to generic top-level domain registration data, as well as consider safeguards for protecting such data.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;background:white">I believe the above requirement contemplates more than mere technical resolution.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 9, 2018 3:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>>; Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
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These recommendations go beyond WHOIS, but yet tie in directly with issues we will face as a WG.
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Furthermore, this is not a few DPA's from Europe who made these recommendations; these are the recommendations from DPA's and experts all over the world, which makes it, in my opinion, a global recommendation.
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And to kindly to remind everyone again, there are more than 120 countries with data protection laws. So this is not some little tea club gathering, these recommendations took a lot of time to get vetted by this group due to the many members. They started working
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We would be fools to ignore this. <br>
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I think I asked this before about recommended additional materials: could you say something about what's new or useful in this paper that means we ought to read it too? I fear that we are at that point where everything that is to be said about the RDS has
been said, but not everyone has said it. More input should only be considered as important if there's something new, I think.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On March 9, 2018 9:21:32 AM Stephanie Perrin
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif">The International WOrking Group on Data Protection in Telecommunications, a group of data commissioners and experts on DP and IT have released a new paper on ICANN and RDS. It should be added
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<a href="https://www.datenschutz-berlin.de/pdf/publikationen/working-paper/2017/2017-IWGDPT_Working_Paper_WHOIS_ICANN-en.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.datenschutz-<wbr>berlin.de/pdf/publikationen/<wbr>working-paper/2017/2017-<wbr>IWGDPT_Working_Paper_WHOIS_<wbr>ICANN-en.pdf</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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