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<p class="MsoNormal">Because at ICANN, simple things are always solved quickly and easily<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 11, 2018 3:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Bambenek <jcb@bambenekconsulting.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> RDS WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If it was simple we wouldn’t have spent as long as we did in the PPSAI PDP discussing and debating it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Mr Michele Neylon<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Blacknight Solutions<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland Company No.: 370845<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John Bambenek <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 15:38<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>, sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>, RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">The legal vs natural person debate is simple. Surely we can agree on that.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-IE">I think there is a great deal of overcomplicating commercial purpose just in my quick review. We need not let the exceptions drive the rule. One quick indicator is “accepts payments”. I bet
we could all come up with a dozen are so unambiguous indicators quickly. Let the edge cases be adjudicated. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:28, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">While the final report I pointed you to contains the conclusions I’d recommend you take the time to have a look over the PPSAI deliberations on this matter.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">You talked about “commercial use”, which is understandable, however, as the discussions show it is not as simple as a difference between legal person and natural person.</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">--<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Mr Michele Neylon<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Blacknight Solutions<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John Bambenek <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 15:06<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>, sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>, RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">Ok, well having read that I believe my answer is still a valid response to Volker. You ask during registration, make it mandatory to answer one way or the other, and in complaints simple use the definitions in use in
the jurisdiction involved. Surely every country on earth knows the difference between legal and natural persons, and I think tax law is an easy barometer for determining commercial activity. Yes, it puts some effort on providers who want to avoid “content”
but I reiterate the point of contention here: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-IE">That those who actually work in security and those who actually work in protecting privacy (with lone exceptions of DPAs) are of the loud, firm, and unanimous contention that not having access
to this information in a free, easy, and programmatic way while lead to a dramatic and clear lose of privacy far beyond the presence of emails in whois/rds. The policy position that we must extend full privacy to everyone (despite a mandate to extend that
far) is fundamentally unnecessary and that the security and stability of the internet which is actually in ICANNs mission is more important than convenience of registries/registrars in dealing with how to define commercial which is NOT in ICANNs mission. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:39, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Here’s the final report:</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf</a></span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The relevant section is from page 39 onwards and again from page 55
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Mr Michele Neylon<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Blacknight Solutions<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">-------------------------------<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John Bambenek <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 14:31<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>, sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>, RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">For those not present, can you summarize or at least point to a document we can read? Stating that something was discussed somewhere gives me little to go on as to what information you’d like me to know.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">This issue was discussed in depth during the PPSAI (proxy privacy) PDP.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Mr Michele Neylon<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Blacknight Solutions<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 11:24<br>
<b>To: </b>sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com">6.internet@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards</span><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying the domain names used in commercial manner amongst the existing hundreds of million registered domains. Please also identify how
this determination can be updated automatically once the use of a domain name changes.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">The fact is that commercial use is content. ICANN does not deal with content except for very small and specific areas. ICANN and registrars have no relationship with the content
that is published under a domain name. We certainly have no control over specific uses. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the laws in Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to duplicate this in whois.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian muthusamy <</span></span><a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">6.internet@gmail.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">Private persons (including private persons in a public career or a career of public exposure) need privacy. Why is this notion extended to protect online commercial entities
of varying ethical standards? Does </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE"> have
a right to privacy of its Registrant data? <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Their customers don't look for contact information from RDS, but in the entity's commercial web site, but the information is not there.
Many online entities </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">operate from behind layers of veil that separate them from customers and enable them to carry on their commercial activity with minimal or non-existent accountability. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce sells millions of air tickets but does not seem to have a building somewhere, and/or does not
have an employee with a name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes your money, takes your information without disclosing any of its own, and does not have a phone number or answer email messages (</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"ABeeZee",serif;color:#222222;background:white">operates
through call centers, answers email messages by templates) </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">when you are stranded Midway with a ticket that doesn't work. Yourcasino takes your
credit card number, yourpharmacy takes your money and medical data, yourholiday owns your passport, and all these entities don't have an email address, phone number or a building with a person. </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-IE">Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data privacy where it concerns an online entity that carries out commercial monetary transactions online? That would require
us to discriminate between private persons and e-commerce entities, which would be a complex process - agreed. Nevertheless, could we think about this?<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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