<div dir="ltr">I invite you to lay out the operational details of how to do this without regulating content.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Silver, Bradley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com" target="_blank">Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Steve, I think there is a difference between ICANN regulating content (which it cannot do), and identifying whether domains are used for a commercial purpose. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Domain names and web sites are not the same. I think you're suggesting that ICANN would need to know which domain names have web sites associated with them and then which of those accept payments in some form. This is digging pretty deeply
into content, which is precisely what ICANN does not and must not do.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 3:06 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy
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<div dir="auto">Simple. You ask them. “Is this domain owned by an individual for non-commercial purposes?”</div>
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<div>Another way is make a distinction is to separate all websites that have a payment gateway / that accept payments in some form.</div>
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<div>If we find domains engaged in commerce registered as personal and non-commercial, then we send a complaint. Sure, we gotta define commercial but surely that is not hard. We use whatever taxing authority for the jurisdiction says. </div>
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<div>Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying the domain names used in commercial manner amongst the existing hundreds of million registered domains. Please also identify how this determination can be updated automatically once the use of
a domain name changes.
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<div>The fact is that commercial use is content. ICANN does not deal with content except for very small and specific areas. ICANN and registrars have no relationship with the content that is published under a domain name. We certainly have no control over specific
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<div>These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the laws in Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to duplicate this in whois.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Private persons (including private persons in a public career or a career of public exposure) need privacy. Why is this notion extended to protect online commercial entities of varying ethical standards? Does <span style="font-family:sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.o<wbr>nlinecommerce</span> have
a right to privacy of its Registrant data?
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Their customers don't look for contact information from RDS, but in the entity's commercial web site, but the information is not there. Many</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> online entities </span>operate
from behind layers of veil that separate them from customers and enable them to carry on their commercial activity with minimal or non-existent accountability. </div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><a href="http://Yourairlinereservations.online" target="_blank">Yourairlinereservations.online</a><wbr>commerce sells millions of air tickets but does not seem to have a building somewhere, and/or does not have an employee
with a name. </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.<wbr>onlinecommerce</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> takes your money, takes your information without disclosing any of its own, and does not have a phone number or
answer email messages (<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:ABeeZee;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">operates
through call centers, answers email messages by templates) </span>when you are stranded Midway with a ticket that doesn't work. Yourcasino takes your credit card number, yourpharmacy takes your money and medical data, yourholiday owns your passport, and all
these entities don't have an email address, phone number or a building with a person. </span></div>
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<div dir="auto">Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data privacy where it concerns an online entity that carries out commercial monetary transactions online? That would require us to discriminate between private persons and e-commerce entities,
which would be a complex process - agreed. Nevertheless, could we think about this?</div>
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