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<p>What are we trying to solve here? And is that up to this WG?<br>
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<p>Thanks, <br>
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<p>Theo <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11-3-2018 20:44, John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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It is simple. Every county in the world has a process for creating
a legal person. That process is very different from acknowledging
the creation of a natural person.
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<div>In an overwhelming majority if cases neither natural or legal
persons will attempt to deceive you as to which they are.
Microsoft isn’t going to say their domain is personal. People
aren’t going to tell you they are really corporations. </div>
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<div>In those rare cases of deception, every country on earth has
a legal definition and surely a process of determining which is
which. <br>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:39, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If it was simple
we wouldn’t have spent as long as we did in the PPSAI
PDP discussing and debating it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
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lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
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No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John Bambenek
<<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 15:38<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>,
RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The legal vs natural person debate is
simple. Surely we can agree on that.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
think there is a great deal of overcomplicating
commercial purpose just in my quick review. We need
not let the exceptions drive the rule. One quick
indicator is “accepts payments”. I bet we could all
come up with a dozen are so unambiguous indicators
quickly. Let the edge cases be adjudicated. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:28, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">While the
final report I pointed you to contains the
conclusions I’d recommend you take the time to
have a look over the PPSAI deliberations on this
matter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">You talked
about “commercial use”, which is understandable,
however, as the discussions show it is not as
simple as a difference between legal person and
natural person.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
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lang="EN-US">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions
Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland
Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John
Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 15:06<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>,
RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ok, well having read that I
believe my answer is still a valid response to
Volker. You ask during registration, make it
mandatory to answer one way or the other, and in
complaints simple use the definitions in use in
the jurisdiction involved. Surely every country on
earth knows the difference between legal and
natural persons, and I think tax law is an easy
barometer for determining commercial activity.
Yes, it puts some effort on providers who want to
avoid “content” but I reiterate the point of
contention here: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That
those who actually work in security and those
who actually work in protecting privacy (with
lone exceptions of DPAs) are of the loud, firm,
and unanimous contention that not having access
to this information in a free, easy, and
programmatic way while lead to a dramatic and
clear lose of privacy far beyond the presence of
emails in whois/rds. The policy position that we
must extend full privacy to everyone (despite a
mandate to extend that far) is fundamentally
unnecessary and that the security and stability
of the internet which is actually in ICANNs
mission is more important than convenience of
registries/registrars in dealing with how to
define commercial which is NOT in ICANNs
mission. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:39, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Here’s
the final report:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The
relevant section is from page 39 onwards
and again from page 55
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59
9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet
Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland
Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid
#B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John
Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at
14:31<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>,
RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Discriminatory rds Data Privacy
Standards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">For those not present,
can you summarize or at least point to a
document we can read? Stating that something
was discussed somewhere gives me little to
go on as to what information you’d like me
to know.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:14, Michele
Neylon - Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">This issue was
discussed in depth during the
PPSAI (proxy privacy) PDP.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Volker Greimann
<<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March
2018 at 11:24<br>
<b>To: </b>sivasubramanian
muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory
rds Data Privacy Standards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
name="_MailOriginalBody"
moz-do-not-send="true">Please
provide a workable, reasonable
method of identifying the domain
names used in commercial manner
amongst the existing hundreds of
million registered domains. Please
also identify how this
determination can be updated
automatically once the use of a
domain name changes. <o:p></o:p></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">The
fact is that commercial use is
content. ICANN does not deal
with content except for very
small and specific areas. ICANN
and registrars have no
relationship with the content
that is published under a domain
name. We certainly have no
control over specific uses. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">These
details belong on the websites,
as is provided in the laws in
Europe and other jurisdictions.
There is no need to duplicate
this in whois.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On
9. Mar 2018, at 07:49,
sivasubramanian muthusamy
<</span><a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">6.internet@gmail.com</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Private persons (including
private persons in a
public career or a
career of public
exposure) need
privacy. Why is this
notion extended to
protect online
commercial entities of
varying ethical
standards? Does </span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce</span> have
a right to privacy of
its Registrant data?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Their
customers don't
look for contact
information from
RDS, but in the
entity's
commercial web
site, but the
information is
not there.
Many online
entities </span>operate
from behind layers
of veil that
separate them from
customers and
enable them to
carry on their
commercial
activity with
minimal or
non-existent
accountability. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce
sells millions
of air tickets
but does not
seem to have a
building
somewhere,
and/or does not
have an employee
with a
name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes
your money,
takes your
information
without
disclosing any
of its own, and
does not have a
phone number or
answer email
messages (</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"ABeeZee",serif;color:#222222;background:white">operates
through call
centers, answers
email messages
by templates) </span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">when
you are stranded
Midway with a
ticket that
doesn't work.
Yourcasino takes
your credit card
number,
yourpharmacy
takes your money
and medical
data,
yourholiday owns
your passport,
and all these
entities don't
have an email
address, phone
number or a
building with a
person. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Could we do away with this notion
of
(Registrant)data
privacy where it
concerns an online
entity that
carries out
commercial
monetary
transactions
online? That would
require us to
discriminate
between private
persons and
e-commerce
entities, which
would be a complex
process - agreed.
Nevertheless,
could we think
about this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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