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<p>Thanks John, <br>
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<p>I would turn that around, If regional or national laws already
fix those issues, then we should not come up with a solution that
will never work one a global level, we have a very limited remit
here. <br>
</p>
<p>Theo <br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11-3-2018 20:52, John Bambenek
wrote:<br>
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We are trying to develop a globally sounds solution to RDS that
fits the needs of all stakeholders instead of using a tailored and
specific law and applying that far beyond what it is intended to
do. <br>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:49, theo geurts <<a
href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>>
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<p>What are we trying to solve here? And is that up to this
WG?<br>
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<p>Thanks, <br>
</p>
<p>Theo <br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11-3-2018 20:44, John Bambenek
via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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It is simple. Every county in the world has a process for
creating a legal person. That process is very different from
acknowledging the creation of a natural person.
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<div>In an overwhelming majority if cases neither natural or
legal persons will attempt to deceive you as to which they
are. Microsoft isn’t going to say their domain is
personal. People aren’t going to tell you they are really
corporations. </div>
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<div>In those rare cases of deception, every country on
earth has a legal definition and surely a process of
determining which is which. <br>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:39, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If it was
simple we wouldn’t have spent as long as we did
in the PPSAI PDP discussing and debating it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
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lang="EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><span
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lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John
Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 15:38<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>,
RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The legal vs natural person
debate is simple. Surely we can agree on that. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
think there is a great deal of overcomplicating
commercial purpose just in my quick review. We
need not let the exceptions drive the rule. One
quick indicator is “accepts payments”. I bet we
could all come up with a dozen are so
unambiguous indicators quickly. Let the edge
cases be adjudicated. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:28, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">While
the final report I pointed you to contains
the conclusions I’d recommend you take the
time to have a look over the PPSAI
deliberations on this matter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">You
talked about “commercial use”, which is
understandable, however, as the
discussions show it is not as simple as a
difference between legal person and
natural person.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US"><a
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
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style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet
Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland
Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John
Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at
15:06<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>,
RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Discriminatory rds Data Privacy
Standards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ok, well having read that
I believe my answer is still a valid
response to Volker. You ask during
registration, make it mandatory to answer
one way or the other, and in complaints
simple use the definitions in use in the
jurisdiction involved. Surely every country
on earth knows the difference between legal
and natural persons, and I think tax law is
an easy barometer for determining commercial
activity. Yes, it puts some effort on
providers who want to avoid “content” but I
reiterate the point of contention here: <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That those
who actually work in security and those
who actually work in protecting privacy
(with lone exceptions of DPAs) are of the
loud, firm, and unanimous contention that
not having access to this information in a
free, easy, and programmatic way while
lead to a dramatic and clear lose of
privacy far beyond the presence of emails
in whois/rds. The policy position that we
must extend full privacy to everyone
(despite a mandate to extend that far) is
fundamentally unnecessary and that the
security and stability of the internet
which is actually in ICANNs mission is
more important than convenience of
registries/registrars in dealing with how
to define commercial which is NOT in
ICANNs mission. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:39, Michele
Neylon - Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Here’s
the final report:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The
relevant section is from page 39
onwards and again from page 55 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Hosting, Colocation
& Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US"><a
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59
9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Direct Dial: +353
(0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet
Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland
Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid
#B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm
0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John
Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018
at 14:31<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>,
RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory
rds Data Privacy Standards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">For those not
present, can you summarize or at least
point to a document we can read?
Stating that something was discussed
somewhere gives me little to go on as
to what information you’d like me to
know. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:14,
Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">This issue was
discussed in depth during
the PPSAI (proxy privacy)
PDP. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Mr Michele
Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Intl. +353
(0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd,
Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">Ireland
Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Volker
Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11
March 2018 at 11:24<br>
<b>To: </b>sivasubramanian
muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Discriminatory rds Data
Privacy Standards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
name="_MailOriginalBody"
moz-do-not-send="true">Please
provide a workable,
reasonable method of
identifying the domain names
used in commercial manner
amongst the existing
hundreds of million
registered domains. Please
also identify how this
determination can be updated
automatically once the use
of a domain name changes. <o:p></o:p></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">The
fact is that commercial
use is content. ICANN does
not deal with content
except for very small and
specific areas. ICANN and
registrars have no
relationship with the
content that is published
under a domain name. We
certainly have no control
over specific uses. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">These
details belong on the
websites, as is provided
in the laws in Europe and
other jurisdictions. There
is no need to duplicate
this in whois.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49,
sivasubramanian
muthusamy <</span><a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">6.internet@gmail.com</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Private persons (including
private persons
in a public
career or a
career of public
exposure) need
privacy. Why is
this notion
extended to
protect online
commercial
entities of
varying ethical
standards? Does </span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce</span> have
a right to
privacy of its
Registrant
data? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Their
customers
don't look for
contact
information
from RDS, but
in the
entity's
commercial web
site, but the
information is
not there.
Many online
entities </span>operate
from behind
layers of veil
that separate
them from
customers and
enable them to
carry on their
commercial
activity with
minimal or
non-existent
accountability. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce
sells millions
of air tickets
but does not
seem to have a
building
somewhere,
and/or does
not have an
employee with
a
name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes
your money,
takes your
information
without
disclosing any
of its own,
and does not
have a phone
number or
answer email
messages (</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"ABeeZee",serif;color:#222222;background:white">operates
through call
centers,
answers email
messages by
templates) </span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">when
you are
stranded
Midway with a
ticket that
doesn't work.
Yourcasino
takes your
credit card
number,
yourpharmacy
takes your
money and
medical data,
yourholiday
owns your
passport, and
all these
entities don't
have an email
address, phone
number or a
building with
a person. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Could we do away with this notion
of
(Registrant)data
privacy where
it concerns an
online entity
that carries
out commercial
monetary
transactions
online? That
would require
us to
discriminate
between
private
persons and
e-commerce
entities,
which would be
a complex
process -
agreed.
Nevertheless,
could we think
about this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p
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