<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Not responding to 
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in particular but rather the whole thread.<br><br></div>The distinction between commercial activity and non-commercial activity is irrelevant to the issue of crime and abuse. The distinction between legal and natural persons is almost as irrelevant. Whatever openings are given to criminals and abusers they will take advantage of and leverage. This whole approach sets the stage for severely suboptimal outcomes.I am really starting to believe that participating in this group is a waste of time.<br><br></div>To the extent that registries and registrars are not required to do anything in addressing the criminal and abuse issues, there will be those that choose to make the business decision not to put resources or at most minimal resources against those issues. <br><br></div>To the extent that ICANN and this working group (among others) choose not to address the above, the organization and the participants are complicit in enabling internet scale abuse and crime. If you think that law enforcement alone is in a position to address crime and abuse in a meaningful manner and scale, think again. Governments will need to open their checkbooks much wider than they have been.<br><br></div>There is a simple solution. Just as in the financial world there is a "know your customer" requirement, Registrars should be required to meet similar standards and officers and management of Registrars should be held personally and strictly liable for failure to do so. One would expect a higher level of effort under such circumstances.<br><br></div>Some might argue that this disrupts the business model(s) of various Registrars. Too bad. If a business model externalizes the costs of failure to address criminal abuse of domain registrations then it probably isn't a business model that is good for any society.<br><br></div>Michael Hammer<br><div><div><div><br><br><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Sivasubramanian M <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com" target="_blank">6.Internet@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">DNS is global. We respect national laws but as in trade marks, we could follow a common minimum set of parameters on what constitutes commercial activity for DNS. For example, (this also answers one part of Steve Crocker's question somewhat), without going into content, it is perfectly alright for a Registry (through it's Registrars and Resellers) to ask a prospective Registrant to ask if the domain name is intended for personal use or for commercial purposes. If for commercial purposes, the form proceeds to ask for tax registration numbers (or merely ask if the prospective Registrant complies with commercial tax regulations) and asks if the business would use a payment gateway or would carry out monetary transactions in any form. These questions about tax registrations / payment gateways could be asked either before the prospective Registrant classifies himself or after. Either way we don't go into content at this stage. Also, by this method, if as per global DNS policy, a Mr.Joseph from Germany registers a personal domain, sets up a WordPress blog and earns a small sum by AdWords, DNS compliance wouldn't bother him, and the answer from ICANN to Germany would be that as per the common minimum set of global DNS parameters, as far as ICANN is concerned, Mr.Joseph's domain name is personal.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sivasubramanian M<br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Mar 11, 2018, 5:47 PM Volker Greimann - Key-Systems GmbHz <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Very true. German courts have held otherwise private websites using Adsense advertizing as being  commercially used.<div><br></div><div>So there would be large differences.<br><br><div id="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 11. Mar 2018, at 17:39, David Cake <<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">dave@davecake.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Yes. What counts as commercial use varies by jurisdiction. It we try to force groups into a commercial category based on some single metric (such as “accepts payments” ), then many will be miscategorised. <div><br></div><div>I agree very much with Greg that this is a yawning rabbit hole of dubious value. It has yet to be demonstrated that it has any relevance to our discussions. </div><div><br></div><div>David <br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 12 Mar 2018, at 4:00 am, theo geurts <<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-interchange-newline"><div><p style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Thanks John,<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I would turn that around, If regional or national laws already fix those issues, then we should not come up with a solution that will never work one a global level, we have a very limited remit here.<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></p><p style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Theo<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></p><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">On 11-3-2018 20:52, John Bambenek wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">We are trying to develop a globally sounds solution to RDS that fits the needs of all stakeholders instead of using a tailored and specific law and applying that far beyond what it is intended to do. <br><br><div>--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:49, theo geurts <<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p>What are we trying to solve here? And is that up to this WG?<br></p><p>Thanks,<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></p><p>Theo<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></p><br><div class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473moz-cite-prefix">On 11-3-2018 20:44, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite">It is simple. Every county in the world has a process for creating a legal person. That process is very different from acknowledging the creation of a natural person. <div><br></div><div>In an overwhelming majority if cases neither natural or legal persons will attempt to deceive you as to which they are. Microsoft isn’t going to say their domain is personal. People aren’t going to tell you they are really corporations. </div><div><br></div><div>In those rare cases of deception, every country on earth has a legal definition and surely a process of determining which is which. <br><br><div>--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:39, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473WordSection1"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">John<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">If it was simple we wouldn’t have spent as long as we did in the PPSAI PDP discussing and debating it.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm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473Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>, sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>, RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The legal vs natural person debate is simple. Surely we can agree on that. <span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I think there is a great deal of overcomplicating commercial purpose just in my quick review. We need not let the exceptions drive the rule. One quick indicator is “accepts payments”. I bet we could all come up with a dozen are so unambiguous indicators quickly. Let the edge cases be adjudicated. <u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">--<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">John Bambenek<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:28, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">While the final report I pointed you to contains the conclusions I’d recommend you take the time to have a look over the PPSAI deliberations on this matter.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">You talked about “commercial use”, which is understandable, however, as the discussions show it is not as simple as a difference between legal person and natural person.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">--</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><u></u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ndate to extend that far) is fundamentally unnecessary and that the security and stability of the internet which is actually in ICANNs mission is more important than convenience of registries/registrars in dealing with how to define commercial which is NOT in ICANNs mission. <u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">--<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">John Bambenek<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:39, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Here’s the final report:</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/en/<wbr>issues/raa/ppsai-final-<wbr>07dec15-en.pdf</a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">The relevant section is from page 39 onwards and again from page 55<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">--</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://ceo.hosting/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Intl. <a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203072" value="+353599183072" target="_blank">+353 (0) 59  9183072</a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Direct Dial: <a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203090" value="+353599183090" target="_blank">+353 (0)59 9183090</a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">------------------------------<wbr>-</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:12pt">From:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt">John Bambenek <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 14:31<br><b>To:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michele Neylon <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>, sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>, RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">For those not present, can you summarize or at least point to a document we can read? Stating that something was discussed somewhere gives me little to go on as to what information you’d like me to know. <span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">--<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">John Bambenek<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">This issue was discussed in depth during the PPSAI (proxy privacy) PDP.<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">--</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://ceo.hosting/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Intl. <a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203072" value="+353599183072" target="_blank">+353 (0) 59  9183072</a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Direct Dial: <a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203090" value="+353599183090" target="_blank">+353 (0)59 9183090</a></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">------------------------------<wbr>-</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:12pt">From:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt">gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 11:24<br><b>To:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">6.internet@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a name="m_-267417497615255154_m_4786380904054439473__MailOriginalBody" rel="noreferrer">Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying the domain names used in commercial manner amongst the existing hundreds of million registered domains. Please also identify how this determination can be updated automatically once the use of a domain name changes.<span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></a></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>The fact is that commercial use is content. ICANN does not deal with content except for very small and specific areas. ICANN and registrars have no relationship with the content that is published under a domain name. We certainly have no control over specific uses. <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the laws in Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to duplicate this in whois.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Volker<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><br><br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian muthusamy <</span><a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span>6.internet@gmail.com</span><span></span></a><span>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Private persons (including private persons in a public career or a career of public exposure) need privacy. Why is this notion extended to protect online commercial entities of varying ethical standards? Does </span><span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.<wbr>onlinecommerce</span> have a right to privacy of its Registrant data? <span class="m_-267417497615255154m_4786380904054439473Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Their customers don't look for contact information from RDS, but in the entity's commercial web site, but the information is not there. Many online entities </span>operate from behind layers of veil that separate them from customers and enable them to carry on their commercial activity with minimal or non-existent accountability. <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.<wbr>onlinecommerce sells millions of air tickets but does not seem to have a building somewhere, and/or does not have an employee with a name. Yourairlinereservations.<wbr>onlinecommerce takes your money, takes your information without disclosing any of its own, and does not have a phone number or answer email messages (</span></span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:ABeeZee,serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">operates through call centers, answers email messages by templates) </span></span><span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">when you are stranded Midway with a ticket that doesn't work. Yourcasino takes your credit card number, yourpharmacy takes your money and medical data, yourholiday owns your passport, and all these entities don't have an email address, phone number or a building with a person.  </span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data privacy where it concerns an online entity that carries out commercial monetary transactions online? That would require us to discriminate between private persons and e-commerce entities, which would be a complex process - agreed. Nevertheless, could we think about this?<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Sivasubramanian M<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span></span></a><span><br></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</span><span></span></a><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-seri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