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Another complication is the B-Corp, or Social Business. It is a
hybrid between a not-for-profit NGO and a for-profit-business. <br>
Legislation and case law are slowly building on that front, and it
will cause complications for policies and statutes that <br>
draw a firm line between commercial and non-commercial. <br>
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Sam L.<br>
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On 3/11/2018 5:47 PM, Volker Greimann - Key-Systems GmbHz wrote:<br>
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Very true. German courts have held otherwise private websites
using Adsense advertizing as being commercially used.
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<div>So there would be large differences.<br>
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On 11. Mar 2018, at 17:39, David Cake <<a
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Yes. What counts as commercial use varies by jurisdiction.
It we try to force groups into a commercial category based
on some single metric (such as “accepts payments” ), then
many will be miscategorised.
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<div class="">I agree very much with Greg that this is a
yawning rabbit hole of dubious value. It has yet to be
demonstrated that it has any relevance to our
discussions. </div>
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<div class="">David <br class="">
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<div class="">On 12 Mar 2018, at 4:00 am, theo geurts
<<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="">
<p style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Thanks
John,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
</p>
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">I
would turn that around, If regional or national
laws already fix those issues, then we should not
come up with a solution that will never work one a
global level, we have a very limited remit here.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
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rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 11-3-2018 20:52, John
Bambenek wrote:<br class="">
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cite="mid:340067F9-3C73-494B-A84E-FB460F81C0FB@bambenekconsulting.com"
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">We are trying to
develop a globally sounds solution to RDS that
fits the needs of all stakeholders instead of
using a tailored and specific law and applying
that far beyond what it is intended to do. <br
class="">
<br class="">
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:49, theo geurts <<a
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wrote:<br class="">
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<p class="">What are we trying to solve here?
And is that up to this WG?<br class="">
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<p class="">Thanks,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
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<p class="">Theo<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
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<br class="">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11-3-2018
20:44, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
wrote:<br class="">
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cite="mid:C364A1A1-DB77-429D-8339-B48A59FB0E2C@bambenekconsulting.com"
class="">It is simple. Every county in the
world has a process for creating a legal
person. That process is very different from
acknowledging the creation of a natural
person.
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<div class="">In an overwhelming majority if
cases neither natural or legal persons
will attempt to deceive you as to which
they are. Microsoft isn’t going to say
their domain is personal. People aren’t
going to tell you they are really
corporations. </div>
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<div class="">In those rare cases of
deception, every country on earth has a
legal definition and surely a process of
determining which is which. <br class="">
<br class="">
<div class="">--
<div class="">John Bambenek</div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="">John Bambenek <<a
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<b class="">Date:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sunday
11 March 2018 at 15:38<br
class="">
<b class="">To:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michele
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<b class="">Subject:<span
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[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Discriminatory rds Data
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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class="">The legal vs natural
person debate is simple. Surely we
can agree on that. <span
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class=""></o:p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;
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Calibri, sans-serif;">I think
there is a great deal of
overcomplicating commercial
purpose just in my quick review.
We need not let the exceptions
drive the rule. One quick
indicator is “accepts payments”.
I bet we could all come up with
a dozen are so unambiguous
indicators quickly. Let the edge
cases be adjudicated. <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:28,
Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<<a
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class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-GB">While
the final report I pointed
you to contains the
conclusions I’d recommend
you take the time to have
a look over the PPSAI
deliberations on this
matter.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-GB">You
talked about “commercial
use”, which is
understandable, however,
as the discussions show it
is not as simple as a
difference between legal
person and natural person.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class="" lang="EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd,
Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class="" lang="EN-GB">Ireland
Company No.: 370845</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="border-style:
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196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm
0cm;" class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><b
class=""><span
style="font-size:
12pt;" class="">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="">John
Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class="">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Date:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sunday
11 March 2018 at 15:06<br
class="">
<b class="">To:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michele
Neylon <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class="">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Cc:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Volker
Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
sivasubramanian
muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class="">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>,
RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Discriminatory rds Data
Privacy Standards</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">Ok,
well having read that I
believe my answer is still a
valid response to Volker.
You ask during registration,
make it mandatory to answer
one way or the other, and in
complaints simple use the
definitions in use in the
jurisdiction involved.
Surely every country on
earth knows the difference
between legal and natural
persons, and I think tax law
is an easy barometer for
determining commercial
activity. Yes, it puts some
effort on providers who want
to avoid “content” but I
reiterate the point of
contention here:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin: 0cm 0cm
12pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">That those
who actually work in
security and those who
actually work in
protecting privacy (with
lone exceptions of DPAs)
are of the loud, firm, and
unanimous contention that
not having access to this
information in a free,
easy, and programmatic way
while lead to a dramatic
and clear lose of privacy
far beyond the presence of
emails in whois/rds. The
policy position that we
must extend full privacy
to everyone (despite a
mandate to extend that
far) is fundamentally
unnecessary and that the
security and stability of
the internet which is
actually in ICANNs mission
is more important than
convenience of
registries/registrars in
dealing with how to define
commercial which is NOT in
ICANNs mission. <o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">--<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">John
Bambenek<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin: 0cm 0cm
12pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><br
class="">
On Mar 11, 2018, at
13:39, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class="">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top: 5pt;
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class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm
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font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB">Here’s
the final report:</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf</a></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB">The
relevant section is
from page 39 onwards
and again from page
55<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;
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font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
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font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
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font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
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font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
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sans-serif;" class=""><span
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lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
class=""
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class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin:
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font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-US">Blacknight
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class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin:
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class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin:
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font-family:
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sans-serif;"
class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions
Ltd, Unit
12A,Barrowside
Business
Park,Sleaty</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family:
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sans-serif;"
class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB">Ireland
Company No.: 370845</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div
style="border-style:
solid none none;
border-top-width: 1pt;
border-top-color:
rgb(181, 196, 223);
padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"
class="">
<div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class=""><b class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:
12pt;" class="">John
Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Date:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 14:31<br
class="">
<b class="">To:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michele Neylon <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Cc:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
sivasubramanian
muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>,
RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Discriminatory rds
Data Privacy
Standards</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">For
those not present, can
you summarize or at
least point to a
document we can read?
Stating that something
was discussed
somewhere gives me
little to go on as to
what information you’d
like me to know. <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin:
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div
style="margin:
0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class="">--<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div
style="margin:
0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;
font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class="">John
Bambenek<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:
0cm 0cm 12pt;
font-size: 11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"><br
class="">
On Mar 11, 2018,
at 13:14,
Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:
5pt;
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5pt;" class="">
<div class="">
<div
style="margin:
0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;
font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB">This
issue was
discussed in
depth during
the PPSAI
(proxy
privacy) PDP.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div
style="margin:
0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;
font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div
style="margin:
0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;
font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-US">--</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div
style="margin:
0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;
font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
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sans-serif;"
class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div
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font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
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class=""><span
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class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
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class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
class=""
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class=""><span
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class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
class=""
lang="EN-US">Blacknight
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class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
class=""
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class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
class=""
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class=""></o:p></div>
<div
style="border-style:
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none;
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rgb(181, 196,
223); padding:
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class="">
<div
style="margin:
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0.0001pt;
font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
class=""><b
class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of
Volker
Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Date:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 11:24<br
class="">
<b class="">To:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">6.internet@gmail.com</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Cc:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
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rds Data
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method of
identifying
the domain
names used in
commercial
manner amongst
the existing
hundreds of
million
registered
domains.
Please also
identify how
this
determination
can be updated
automatically
once the use
of a domain
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class=""><span
class="">The
fact is that
commercial use
is content.
ICANN does not
deal with
content except
for very small
and specific
areas. ICANN
and registrars
have no
relationship
with the
content that
is published
under a domain
name. We
certainly have
no control
over specific
uses. <o:p
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class="">These
details belong
on the
websites, as
is provided in
the laws in
Europe and
other
jurisdictions.
There is no
need to
duplicate this
in whois.<o:p
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Mar 2018, at
07:49,
sivasubramanian
muthusamy <</span><a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"
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class="">6.internet@gmail.com</span><span
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wrote:<o:p
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class="">Private
persons
(including
private
persons in a
public career
or a career of
public
exposure) need
privacy. Why
is this notion
extended to
protect online
commercial
entities of
varying
ethical
standards?
Does </span><span
class=""><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce</span> have
a right to
privacy of its
Registrant
data? <span
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class=""><span
class=""><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Their customers don't
look for
contact
information
from RDS, but
in the
entity's
commercial web
site, but the
information is
not there.
Many online
entities </span>operate
from behind
layers of veil
that separate
them from
customers and
enable them to
carry on their
commercial
activity with
minimal or
non-existent
accountability. <o:p
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class=""><span
class=""><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce
sells millions
of air tickets
but does not
seem to have a
building
somewhere,
and/or does
not have an
employee with
a
name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes
your money,
takes your
information
without
disclosing any
of its own,
and does not
have a phone
number or
answer email
messages (</span></span><span
class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: ABeeZee, serif; color: rgb(34, 34,
34);
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initial;
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initial;"
class="">operates
through call
centers,
answers email
messages by
templates) </span></span><span
class=""><span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">when you are stranded
Midway with a
ticket that
doesn't work.
Yourcasino
takes your
credit card
number,
yourpharmacy
takes your
money and
medical data,
yourholiday
owns your
passport, and
all these
entities don't
have an email
address, phone
number or a
building with
a person. </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span
class="">Could
we do away
with this
notion of
(Registrant)data
privacy where
it concerns an
online entity
that carries
out commercial
monetary
transactions
online? That
would require
us to
discriminate
between
private
persons and
e-commerce
entities,
which would be
a complex
process -
agreed.
Nevertheless,
could we think
about this?<o:p
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M<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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