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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I think the summary
report (final report) dealt with it. I believe you will find
that report in our repository.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-03-11 14:30, John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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For those not present, can you summarize or at least point to a
document we can read? Stating that something was discussed
somewhere gives me little to go on as to what information you’d
like me to know.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">This issue was
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PDP.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd,
Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland Company
No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 11:24<br>
<b>To: </b>sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">6.internet@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>RDS WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody"
moz-do-not-send="true">Please provide a workable,
reasonable method of identifying the domain names
used in commercial manner amongst the existing
hundreds of million registered domains. Please also
identify how this determination can be updated
automatically once the use of a domain name changes.
<o:p></o:p></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">The fact is
that commercial use is content. ICANN does not
deal with content except for very small and
specific areas. ICANN and registrars have no
relationship with the content that is published
under a domain name. We certainly have no control
over specific uses. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">These
details belong on the websites, as is provided in
the laws in Europe and other jurisdictions. There
is no need to duplicate this in whois.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On 9.
Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian
muthusamy <</span><a
href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">6.internet@gmail.com</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Private
persons (including private persons in a
public career or a career of public
exposure) need privacy. Why is this
notion extended to protect online
commercial entities of varying ethical
standards? Does </span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> have
a right to privacy of its Registrant
data?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Their customers don't
look for contact information from
RDS, but in the entity's
commercial web site, but the
information is not there.
Many online entities </span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">operate from behind layers of
veil that separate them from
customers and enable them to carry
on their commercial activity with
minimal or non-existent
accountability. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce
sells millions of air tickets but
does not seem to have a building
somewhere, and/or does not have an
employee with a
name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes
your money, takes your information
without disclosing any of its own,
and does not have a phone number
or answer email messages (</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"ABeeZee",serif;color:#222222;background:white">operates
through call centers, answers
email messages by templates) </span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">when
you are stranded Midway with a
ticket that doesn't work.
Yourcasino takes your credit card
number, yourpharmacy takes your
money and medical data,
yourholiday owns your passport,
and all these entities don't have
an email address, phone number or
a building with a person. </span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Could
we do away with this notion of
(Registrant)data privacy where it
concerns an online entity that
carries out commercial monetary
transactions online? That would
require us to discriminate between
private persons and e-commerce
entities, which would be a complex
process - agreed. Nevertheless,
could we think about this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Sivasubramanian
M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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