<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">No, it doesn’t really fundamentally change anything about what you can or can’t do, or the GNSOs involvement, as far as I can tell. You don’t need to use your registrar as a DNS provider or use them to manage your MX and NS records now (handling of glue records and a few other details excepted), you can just manage your own zone files yourself using your own DNS servers. While it is probably better for the internet stability as a whole that most people don’t do this, they can if they want to right now. <div class="">I suspect that for the most part, if you are able to manage your own zone files, you probably have no urge to subcontract only parts of that to third parties. And the business opportunities for offering it as a third party service would seem to be pretty limited even if there was some sort of standard way to offer it as a third party service. It seemed a very odd thing to appear in a letter from NTIA. </div><div class="">Honestly, it reads like they someone complained about Godaddy and they just wrote that down, and padded it out with some poorly understood thought bubbles. </div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 19 Apr 2018, at 3:21 pm, Maxim Alzoba <<a href="mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com" class="">m.alzoba@gmail.com</a>> wrote:that </div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hello All, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div>the second part of the letter <div class="">might be seen as a suggestion for the interested parties</div><div class=""> to be able to do anything in the DNS without being bound by the </div><div class="">GNSO policies (and it is something which makes behaviour of registries/registrars more or less predictive), </div><div class="">and without it I am not sure about stability of the system, where some third party can do whatever they find fit (and </div><div class="">reference to sophistication looks like lack of experience ... which makes it even worse, from perspective of the </div><div class="">stability of the Internet)<br class=""><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 19 Apr 2018, at 09:16, David Cake <<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">There are new things in the letter, but they are odd things not relevant to this working group for the most part. The idea a third party could just manage your MX services is pretty odd. Especially as you can always take MX or NS record management away from your registrar by just… not using your registrar as your DNS server. Work to facilitate any other services seems to be more an IETF issue if it is anything at all - certainly not relevant to this group. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 19 Apr 2018, at 4:30 am, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Whats new is that NTIA is pushing back on whois and at the same time the Secretary of DHS is doing the same. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The compromise here is that we make whois data optin for non-commercial consumers. The alternative is to get rolled by the Trump Administration. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The choice is yours. <br class=""><br class=""><div class="">--<div class="">John Bambenek</div></div><div class=""><br class="">On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:58, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" class="">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">well of course I don't agree with it at all :) By saying it is not a bad read I only meant it is interesting and to a certain extent amusing. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" class="">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:53 PM, theo geurts <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" target="_blank" class="">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">It's a very bad read. <br class="">
</p><p class="">The stuff about DNSSEC is so bad that it be can used in a Benny
Hill sketch. But we can have a real discussion about DNSSEC at
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">well no ... but it's
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Andrew
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