<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks Chuck for the effort drawn into this WG. It is not that we could not get somewhere but i would say all sorts of possibilities was tried. When i look back it seemed to chaotic at times to go anywhere. In fact we went into circles most of the time. We have to be cognizant about that.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Whether intentional or non intentional, the very fact of not wanting and many wanting to stop at a certain position and not quite wanting to move on is a clear cut situation that we could not move and find a middle ground.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But by all means thank you so much chuck and all the best.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kris<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 14, 2018, at 07:28, David Cake <<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 14 May 2018, at 10:06 am, Rubens Kuhl <<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br" class="">rubensk@nic.br</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 13 May 2018, at 21:54, Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" class="">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 01:00:29AM -0300, Rubens Kuhl wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Even saying so would require a consensus of the WG.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Nonsense. The leadership can say whatever they want "in their<br class="">judgement" about the WG.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">That still doesn't constitute a WG position. It's basically their individual positions.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">The leadership team would not claim that even leadership team consensus represents WG consensus, or a WG position. But we can, and have, shared some of our thoughts as a group about issues that faced this WG with other leadership.<br class=""><br class="">If you’d like to hear our individual positions, I’m sure you can grab us via email or in a bar, depending on how frank you’d like those opinions to be (I’m mostly kidding - some leadership team members, particularly staff, I’m sure maintain their professionalism at all times, though I can’t claim to be among them).<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">If that's not true, I don't understand what<br class="">the meaning of the term "the leadership" is.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">In GNSO practices, shepherding instead of ruling.<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Yes. Though one point that has been discussed lately (for example, in the Sunday morning GNSO Council session in Puerto Rico) is that we may need to carefully look at that role, in light of some WG difficulties lately. But that is outside the scope of this WG discussion.<br class=""><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>David<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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