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    <p>Believe what you want, but we do not want WHOIS to die. We want
      to replace it with something legal, that works.</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Volker<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.10.2018 um 17:01 schrieb John
      Bambenek:<br>
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      Let me finish that for you.
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      <div>... then we get what we want and whois dies. </div>
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      <div>The temp spec is largely unusable to those who actually use
        such things. Just killing it would at least be honest. <br>
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          <div>John Bambenek</div>
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          On Oct 11, 2018, at 09:57, Volker Greimann <<a
            href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
            moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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            <p>None of us, but the Temp Spec is on a timer and if it
              runs out before there is a solution...<br>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.10.2018 um 15:58 schrieb
              John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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              Well it wouldn’t have been my first choice to ditch the
              mutlistakeholder model for the sake of moving quickly. <br>
              <br>
              <div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">--
                <div>John Bambenek</div>
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                On Oct 11, 2018, at 02:53, "<a
                  href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" moz-do-not-send="true">benny@nordreg.se</a>"
                <<a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">benny@nordreg.se</a>> wrote:<br>
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                  Well they need to be able get done with the work, even
                  with those on it looks hard enough to make progress.<br
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                          <div class="">Med vänliga hälsningar / Kind
                            Regards / Med vennlig hilsen</div>
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                            Benny Samuelsen<br class="">
                            Registry Manager - Domainexpert<br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar</div>
                          <div class="">IANA-ID: 638</div>
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                          Mobile: +47.40410200</div>
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                      <div class="">On 11 Oct 2018, at 00:49, John
                        Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
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                        <div dir="auto" class="">I did take notice that
                          the new EPDP specifically excludes all
                          outsiders thus ensuring that anyone who
                          actually uses whois will not be represented.<br
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                          <div dir="ltr" class="">--
                            <div class="">John Bambenek</div>
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                            On Oct 10, 2018, at 17:28, Dotzero <<a
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                              <div dir="ltr" class="">The proposed
                                termination document reflects the
                                reality of what has occurred. I'd like
                                to thank everyone else for their
                                efforts. I know that we had some
                                disagreements and the process sometimes
                                was painful.
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                                <div class="">Michael Hammer</div>
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                                <div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, Oct 10,
                                  2018 at 9:30 AM Anderson, Marc via
                                  gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Fellow Next
                                        Gen RDS members,</p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">In March of
                                        this year the RDS PDP leadership
                                        team canceled working group
                                        meetings, effectively putting
                                        the group on hold.  This
                                        decision was made because we
                                        heard from ICANN org that it was
                                        considering instituting a
                                        temporary policy that would
                                        greatly impact our work.  Out of
                                        respect for members’ time it
                                        didn’t make sense to continue
                                        deliberations.</p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Since then,
                                        the ICANN board did approve a
                                        temporary specification (<a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en"
                                          target="_blank" class=""
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en</a>). 
                                        Subsequent to that, the GNSO
                                        council initiated an expedited
                                        PDP on that temporary
                                        specification (<a
                                          href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-19-en"
                                          target="_blank" class=""
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-19-en</a>).</p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Given all
                                        this, the RDS PDP leadership
                                        team feels it doesn’t make sense
                                        for the working group to
                                        continue and is recommending
                                        termination.  The GNSO PDP
                                        manual allows for termination by
                                        the working group and requires a
                                        written “Termination Summary”
                                        delivered to the GNSO council
                                        via the council liaison.  The
                                        manual provides “changing
                                        circumstances” as an example of
                                        a reason for termination which
                                        this certainly qualifies as.</p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Attached you
                                        will find a proposed
                                        “Termination Summary” for the
                                        RDS PDP working group.  The
                                        leadership team plans to deliver
                                        by 12 October so the GNSO
                                        council can have it on their
                                        agenda for ICANN 63.  Please let
                                        the leadership team know if you
                                        have questions or feedback.</p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks
                                        for your hard work on this
                                        project.</p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Best,<br
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                                        RDS Leadership team</p>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Volker A. Greimann
General Counsel and Policy Manager
KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH

T: +49 6894 9396901
F: +49 6894 9396851
W: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a>

Key-systems is a company registered in Germany with Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken: CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registered Offices: Im Oberen Werk 1, DE-66386 St. Ingbert, Germany

Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.
Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR. </pre>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Volker A. Greimann
General Counsel and Policy Manager
KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH

T: +49 6894 9396901
F: +49 6894 9396851
W: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a>

Key-systems is a company registered in Germany with Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken: CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registered Offices: Im Oberen Werk 1, DE-66386 St. Ingbert, Germany

Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.
Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR. </pre>
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