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<p>So you are saying there is no one within the ICANN community that
shares your views? And that does not tell you anything? <br>
</p>
<p>If you feel underrepresented, start working in the system. If you
do not participate, either directly or indirectly, you ave no
chance of being heard. <br>
</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.10.2018 um 17:02 schrieb John
Bambenek:<br>
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Exactly.
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<div>You’re right, we’re wrong. Now that we’ve established this a
priori, why would I join a constituency? To carry your torches?<br>
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On Oct 11, 2018, at 09:57, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>Or find an insider willing to carry your torch. And if
there is no such person, maybe reconsider your torch.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.10.2018 um 16:25 schrieb
John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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“If you don’t like being an outsider, you have to play by
our rules and become an insider.”
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<div>And yeah, I can write a letter to my legislator. That
doesn’t make me a Senator. </div>
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<div>John Bambenek</div>
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On Oct 11, 2018, at 09:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Again. You
are wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">You, like
anyone else, can join any number of ICANN
groups.<br>
You choose not to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">That’s
your choice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Now you
can try to twist that around so that you can
tell people how you’ve been excluded, but the
reality is that you haven’t – you’ve chosen
that path.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
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lang="EN-GB"><a
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Internet Solutions
Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John
Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 11 October 2018 at
14:57<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Dotzero <<a
href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">dotzero@gmail.com</a>>,
RDS PDP WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next
Gen RDS - Update from Leadership Team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“You can convince some
insider to carry your concern while they
deliberate in private.” <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That is exactly
my point. You’ve excluded outsiders.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Oct 11, 2018, at 04:55, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">That
isn’t true. Every SO and AC within ICANN
has representation. You and anyone else
can channel your concerns via your
respective constituency, stakeholder
group or AC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Also
as is normal with any GNSO Working Group
the interim report and final report will
be open for public comment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://blacknight.blog/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://blacknight.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Personal
blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://michele.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Some
thoughts: <a
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://ceo.hosting/</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>John Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 10 October
2018 at 23:50<br>
<b>To: </b>Dotzero <<a
href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">dotzero@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>RDS PDP WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Next Gen RDS - Update from Leadership
Team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I did take
notice that the new EPDP specifically
excludes all outsiders thus ensuring that
anyone who actually uses whois will not be
represented.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Oct 10, 2018, at 17:28, Dotzero <<a
href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">dotzero@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The proposed
termination document reflects the
reality of what has occurred. I'd
like to thank everyone else for
their efforts. I know that we had
some disagreements and the process
sometimes was painful. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michael Hammer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 10,
2018 at 9:30 AM Anderson, Marc via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Fellow Next Gen
RDS members,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">In March of
this year the RDS PDP
leadership team canceled
working group meetings,
effectively putting the
group on hold. This
decision was made because we
heard from ICANN org that it
was considering instituting
a temporary policy that
would greatly impact our
work. Out of respect for
members’ time it didn’t make
sense to continue
deliberations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Since then, the
ICANN board did approve a
temporary specification (<a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en</a>).
Subsequent to that, the GNSO
council initiated an
expedited PDP on that
temporary specification (<a
href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-19-en"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-19-en</a>).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Given all this,
the RDS PDP leadership team
feels it doesn’t make sense
for the working group to
continue and is recommending
termination. The GNSO PDP
manual allows for
termination by the working
group and requires a written
“Termination Summary”
delivered to the GNSO
council via the council
liaison. The manual
provides “changing
circumstances” as an example
of a reason for termination
which this certainly
qualifies as.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Attached you
will find a proposed
“Termination Summary” for
the RDS PDP working group.
The leadership team plans to
deliver by 12 October so the
GNSO council can have it on
their agenda for ICANN 63.
Please let the leadership
team know if you have
questions or feedback.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Many thanks for
your hard work on this
project.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Best,<br>
RDS Leadership team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Volker A. Greimann
General Counsel and Policy Manager
KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH
T: +49 6894 9396901
F: +49 6894 9396851
W: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a>
Key-systems is a company registered in Germany with Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken: CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registered Offices: Im Oberen Werk 1, DE-66386 St. Ingbert, Germany
Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.
Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR. </pre>
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