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<p>Or find an insider willing to carry your torch. And if there is
no such person, maybe reconsider your torch.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.10.2018 um 16:25 schrieb John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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“If you don’t like being an outsider, you have to play by our
rules and become an insider.”
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<div>And yeah, I can write a letter to my legislator. That doesn’t
make me a Senator. </div>
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On Oct 11, 2018, at 09:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Again. You are
wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">You, like anyone
else, can join any number of ICANN groups.<br>
You choose not to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">That’s your
choice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Now you can try to
twist that around so that you can tell people how
you’ve been excluded, but the reality is that you
haven’t – you’ve chosen that path.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John Bambenek
<<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 11 October 2018 at 14:57<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Dotzero <<a
href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">dotzero@gmail.com</a>>,
RDS PDP WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next Gen RDS
- Update from Leadership Team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“You can convince some insider to
carry your concern while they deliberate in private.”
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That
is exactly my point. You’ve excluded outsiders.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Oct 11, 2018, at 04:55, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">That isn’t
true. Every SO and AC within ICANN has
representation. You and anyone else can channel
your concerns via your respective constituency,
stakeholder group or AC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Also as is
normal with any GNSO Working Group the interim
report and final report will be open for public
comment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB"><a
href="https://blacknight.blog/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://blacknight.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Personal blog: <a
href="https://michele.blog/"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://michele.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Some thoughts: <a
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://ceo.hosting/</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Internet Solutions
Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>John Bambenek <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 10 October 2018 at
23:50<br>
<b>To: </b>Dotzero <<a
href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">dotzero@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>RDS PDP WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next
Gen RDS - Update from Leadership Team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
did take notice that the new EPDP specifically
excludes all outsiders thus ensuring that anyone
who actually uses whois will not be represented.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Oct 10, 2018, at 17:28, Dotzero <<a
href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">dotzero@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The proposed termination
document reflects the reality of what has
occurred. I'd like to thank everyone else
for their efforts. I know that we had some
disagreements and the process sometimes was
painful.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michael Hammer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at
9:30 AM Anderson, Marc via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Fellow Next Gen RDS
members,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">In March of this year
the RDS PDP leadership team canceled
working group meetings, effectively
putting the group on hold. This
decision was made because we heard
from ICANN org that it was
considering instituting a temporary
policy that would greatly impact our
work. Out of respect for members’
time it didn’t make sense to
continue deliberations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Since then, the ICANN
board did approve a temporary
specification (<a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en</a>).
Subsequent to that, the GNSO council
initiated an expedited PDP on that
temporary specification (<a
href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-19-en"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-19-en</a>).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Given all this, the RDS
PDP leadership team feels it doesn’t
make sense for the working group to
continue and is recommending
termination. The GNSO PDP manual
allows for termination by the
working group and requires a written
“Termination Summary” delivered to
the GNSO council via the council
liaison. The manual provides
“changing circumstances” as an
example of a reason for termination
which this certainly qualifies as.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Attached you will find
a proposed “Termination Summary” for
the RDS PDP working group. The
leadership team plans to deliver by
12 October so the GNSO council can
have it on their agenda for ICANN
63. Please let the leadership team
know if you have questions or
feedback.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Many thanks for your
hard work on this project.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Best,<br>
RDS Leadership team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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