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    <p>Or find an insider willing to carry your torch. And if there is
      no such person, maybe reconsider your torch.</p>
    <p>Volker<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.10.2018 um 16:25 schrieb John
      Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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      “If you don’t like being an outsider, you have to play by our
      rules and become an insider.”
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      <div>And yeah, I can write a letter to my legislator. That doesn’t
        make me a Senator. </div>
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          <div>John Bambenek</div>
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          On Oct 11, 2018, at 09:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a
            href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Again. You are
                  wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">You, like anyone
                  else, can join any number of ICANN groups.<br>
                  You choose not to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">That’s your
                  choice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Now you can try to
                  twist that around so that you can tell people how
                  you’ve been excluded, but the reality is that you
                  haven’t – you’ve chosen that path.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB">Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB">Personal blog: <a
                      href="https://michele.blog/"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://michele.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB">Some thoughts: <a
                      href="https://ceo.hosting/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
                    <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                    lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
                    12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                  lang="EN-GB">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
                  X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span><span
                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John Bambenek
                    <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Date: </b>Thursday 11 October 2018 at 14:57<br>
                    <b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
                      href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Cc: </b>Dotzero <<a
                      href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">dotzero@gmail.com</a>>,
                    RDS PDP WG <<a
                      href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
                    <b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next Gen RDS
                    - Update from Leadership Team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">“You can convince some insider to
                carry your concern while they deliberate in private.”
                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That
                  is exactly my point. You’ve excluded outsiders.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                    On Oct 11, 2018, at 04:55, Michele Neylon -
                    Blacknight <<a
                      href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">That isn’t
                        true. Every SO and AC within ICANN has
                        representation. You and anyone else can channel
                        your concerns via your respective constituency,
                        stakeholder group or AC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Also as is
                        normal with any GNSO Working Group the interim
                        report and final report will be open for public
                        comment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB"><a
                            href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB"><a
                            href="https://blacknight.blog/"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://blacknight.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB">Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB">Personal blog: <a
                            href="https://michele.blog/"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">
                            https://michele.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB">Some thoughts: <a
                            href="https://ceo.hosting/"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">
                            https://ceo.hosting/</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                          lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Internet Solutions
                          Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"
                        lang="EN-GB">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
                        X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                            style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                          <<a
                            href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
                          on behalf of John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                          <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
                          <b>Reply-To: </b>John Bambenek <<a
                            href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
                          <b>Date: </b>Wednesday 10 October 2018 at
                          23:50<br>
                          <b>To: </b>Dotzero <<a
                            href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">dotzero@gmail.com</a>><br>
                          <b>Cc: </b>RDS PDP WG <<a
                            href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
                          <b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next
                          Gen RDS - Update from Leadership Team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
                      did take notice that the new EPDP specifically
                      excludes all outsiders thus ensuring that anyone
                      who actually uses whois will not be represented.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                        On Oct 10, 2018, at 17:28, Dotzero <<a
                          href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">dotzero@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">The proposed termination
                            document reflects the reality of what has
                            occurred. I'd like to thank everyone else
                            for their efforts. I know that we had some
                            disagreements and the process sometimes was
                            painful.
                            <o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Michael Hammer<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at
                              9:30 AM Anderson, Marc via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                              <<a
                                href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
                              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US">Fellow Next Gen RDS
                                    members,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US">In March of this year
                                    the RDS PDP leadership team canceled
                                    working group meetings, effectively
                                    putting the group on hold.  This
                                    decision was made because we heard
                                    from ICANN org that it was
                                    considering instituting a temporary
                                    policy that would greatly impact our
                                    work.  Out of respect for members’
                                    time it didn’t make sense to
                                    continue deliberations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US">Since then, the ICANN
                                    board did approve a temporary
                                    specification (<a
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en</a>). 
                                    Subsequent to that, the GNSO council
                                    initiated an expedited PDP on that
                                    temporary specification (<a
                                      href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-19-en"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-19-en</a>).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US">Given all this, the RDS
                                    PDP leadership team feels it doesn’t
                                    make sense for the working group to
                                    continue and is recommending
                                    termination.  The GNSO PDP manual
                                    allows for termination by the
                                    working group and requires a written
                                    “Termination Summary” delivered to
                                    the GNSO council via the council
                                    liaison.  The manual provides
                                    “changing circumstances” as an
                                    example of a reason for termination
                                    which this certainly qualifies as.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US">Attached you will find
                                    a proposed “Termination Summary” for
                                    the RDS PDP working group.  The
                                    leadership team plans to deliver by
                                    12 October so the GNSO council can
                                    have it on their agenda for ICANN
                                    63.  Please let the leadership team
                                    know if you have questions or
                                    feedback.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US">Many thanks for your
                                    hard work on this project.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US">Best,<br>
                                    RDS Leadership team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Volker A. Greimann
General Counsel and Policy Manager
KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH

T: +49 6894 9396901
F: +49 6894 9396851
W: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a>

Key-systems is a company registered in Germany with Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken: CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registered Offices: Im Oberen Werk 1, DE-66386 St. Ingbert, Germany

Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.
Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR. </pre>
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