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Hi,<br>
<br>
No problem with them not being mentioned, as long as they made it to
the list.<br>
<br>
i confess I have not read yours yet eiither. <br>
Though Philip's were short enough to have read. And agreed with,
BTW.<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04-May-15 10:53, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
received them but haven’t had a chance to review them yet.
I wondered myself why your comments weren’t mentioned. I
saw yours before Philip’s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-gnso-review-dt@icann.org">owner-gnso-review-dt@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-gnso-review-dt@icann.org">mailto:owner-gnso-review-dt@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Avri Doria<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 04, 2015 10:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jen Wolfe; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-review-dt@icann.org">gnso-review-dt@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-review-dt] Comment on newest
revision of the Westlake review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,<br>
<br>
Did my comments not reach the list?<br>
<br>
avri<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 04-May-15 10:26, Jen Wolfe wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hello
everyone! I hope you all had a great weekend!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
you to the Westlake team and staff for all of the hard
work in assembling this information, particularly the
detailed listing of all comments made throughout the
process and responses by Westlake. And, thank you to
Chuck and Philip for forwarding these comments in advance
of the meeting – very helpful in preparing for the call!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
look forward to talking with you all at the top of the
hour. We have a two-hour time slot scheduled today and a
follow up meeting next week with an additional two hours
to receive comments from Westlake and provide additional
comments about the report before it is officially released
to the public.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
plan to provide Westlake an initial opportunity to provide
an overview of the report today and then will go through
the report section by section to provide everyone
opportunities to comment. We will continue to capture
those comments, as in prior discussions, and Westlake will
continue to document its response to those comments.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
look forward to the discussion and appreciate all of your
hard work and time!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With
kindest regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#0E325F;text-transform:uppercase">jennifer
c. WOLFE, esq., apr, SSBB</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#0E325F;text-transform:uppercase">Founder
& President, wolfe domain, a digital brand strategy
advisory firm</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#4BACC6;text-transform:uppercase">513.746.2800
x 1 or Cell 513.238.4348</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#4BACC6;text-transform:uppercase">IAM
300 - TOp 300 global ip strategists 2011-2014</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:owner-gnso-review-dt@icann.org">owner-gnso-review-dt@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:owner-gnso-review-dt@icann.org">mailto:owner-gnso-review-dt@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>BRG<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 04, 2015 4:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-review-dt@icann.org">gnso-review-dt@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-review-dt] Comment on newest
revision of the Westlake review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
would like to thank Westlake for the latest report and
make the following 5 comments and recommendations.<br>
<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">1.
Page 14 preamble on structure</span></strong><b><br>
</b>"</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Many
people commented on the GNSO’s structure and complexity
and argued that these needed to change. We do not consider
that the GNSO’s structure is perfect, or that it cannot be
improved, but, having analysed the issues in some detail,
our view is that the structure of the GNSO is not the main
cause of its most pressing challenges.<br>
In addition, the current structure of the GNSO has been in
place for only about three years</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">."<br>
This comment is misleading.<br>
The 2 House structure was implemented in 2008. That is 7
years ago.<br>
Do Westlake mean the current form of the PDP and Working
Groups?<br>
This is different.<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Please
change the text to clarify.</span></strong><b><br>
</b><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">2.
The "pressing challenges" and recommendations 36 - 41.</span></strong><b><br>
</b>These all focus on diversity.<br>
They are fine recommendations but NOT ones that addresses
the issue of structure.
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Please
change the text to clarify.</span></strong><br>
<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">3.ICANN
Board</span></strong><b><br>
</b>In its resolution of 28 September 2013 the ICANN Board
stated:<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">"<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">GNSO
Structure is unlikely</span></strong> to accommodate
the anticipated new stream of stakeholders resulting from
the expansion of the TLD space. The GNSO Review will be an
important vehicle for considering and addressing this
issue. The unbalance that is already occurring needs to be
addressed by the GNSO Review.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
”<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Why
is this Board resolution not addressed in the report?</span></strong><b><br>
</b><br>
4. Page 14: "</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Many
people commented on the GNSO’s structure and complexity
and argued that these needed to change</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Why
is the opinion of "</span></strong></span><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">many
people</span></strong><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"
not addressed in the report?</span></strong><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
5. Understanding the past and the present.<br>
Little attempt to analyse the lack of relevance* today of
the 2 Houses structure has been made.<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Why
is this?</span></strong><b><br>
</b>*See below for a snip from the BRG survey submission</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
Philip Sheppard<br>
---------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">EDIT
FROM BRG PAPER AND SURVEY SUBMISSION</span></strong></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">The
2008 GNSO reform created two Houses within the GNSO: the
Contracted Party House and the Non-Contracted Party House.
Put simply there is a suppliers House and a users House.
And those Houses were given equal votes. This was a change
from the GNSO of several separate Constituencies. This
created a 4-tier structure.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">The
rationale for the 2008 reform was threefold.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">a)
Separable interests.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">There
was a belief that the underlying user groups and supplier
groups had separable interests that could be divided into
six separable entities (registries, registrars, business
interests, intellectual property interests, internet
service providers, non-commercial interests).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">b)
Commonality.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">The
rationale for the two Houses was that suppliers are
impacted economically by policy and may be impacted in the
same way: and users are impacted in a variety of ways by
policy and may be impacted in the same way. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">c)
Balance between the Houses.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">There
was a belief that the interests of users and suppliers
should be balanced.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">Issues</span></u><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">In
2014, everything has changed. The rationale has changed.
Indeed, the current structure creates new conflicts of
interest.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">a)
Separable interests.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">While
different interests continue, it is no longer true that
the separable interests are accurately reflected by the
six separable entities (registries, registrars, business
interests, intellectual property interests, internet
service providers, non-commercial interests). There are
two reasons for this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:blue">§</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:blue">
</span><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">Conflicting
relationships. There is a complex web of relationships
that overlap and conflict within the six groups. A typical
.brand registry may be simultaneously: a Registry, a
Business Constituency member, an Intellectual Property
Constituency member, and have a contractual relationship
with other generic registries for back-end services.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:blue">§</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:blue">
</span><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">What
is commercial? The old division within the users House
between commercial and non-commercial is no longer
relevant. Just within the 400 .brand registry applicants,
some 15 are not-for-profit organisations representing some
$69 billion in annual turnover. Two of these are current
BRG members.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">b)
Commonality.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">The
commonality assumption was historically questionable.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">The
commonality of interests within the old groups has
changed.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:blue">§</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:blue">
</span><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">It
was <u>never</u> true that users within each House acted
as if they were impacted in the same way by policy. There
has often been disagreement between commercial and
non-commercial users, and between types of non-commercial
user. This has been seen most clearly on issues connected
with crime prevention (such as accurate Whois records and
a difference of opinion on the balance of freedom of
speech versus crime prevention).
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:blue">§</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:blue">
</span><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">It
is <u>no longer</u> true that Registries are impacted
economically by policy in the same way. The 400 .brand
Registries will have a different view on many policy
issues to the 800 generic Registries. This divide will be
most clear where there is a choice between the costs
imposed by a policy and the benefits of that policy such
as crime prevention. In such a choice, generic registries
and brand registries will typically have different
opinions on cost versus benefit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">c)
Balance between the Houses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">There
is no objective reason for the current balance of votes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:blue">§</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:blue">
</span><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">The
belief that the interests of users and suppliers should be
balanced was predicated not on an external objective
reason but on an internal compromise. In the 1999 Names
Council a number of groups self-formed. These groups
became the Constituencies of the GNSO. These groups in
2008 were charged to agree GNSO reform but they disagreed.
The Houses concept was a compromise proposed to overcome
this disagreement by severing the link between seats and
votes. It was adopted out of expediency. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">d)
Unnecessary complexity of Council /House /Stakeholder
Group /Constituency</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:blue">§</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:blue">
</span><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">The
Houses structure has made voting unnecessarily complex.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:blue">§</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:blue">
</span><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:blue">Post
2008, for some groups Council changed from a 2-tier to a
4-tier structure. This has created unnecessary complexity
and duplicated meeting agendas.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
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