[Gnso-review-wg] [Ext] Re: Actions/Discussion Notes for GNSO Review WGMeeting on 01 March 2018

wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de
Fri Mar 2 16:59:08 UTC 2018


 Thanks Marika,

Happy to see any more precise calculations!


Best regards

Wolf-Ulrich

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Von: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org
<mailto:marika.konings at icann.org> >
Betreff: Re: [Gnso-review-wg] [Ext] Re: Actions/Discussion Notes for GNSO 
Review WGMeeting on 01 March 2018
Datum: 02.03.2018, 16:10 Uhr
An: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org> 
>, Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com> >, 
Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de
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Thanks, Wolf-Ulrich, this definitely provides an indication of costs, but 
please note that other factors need to be considered such as additional 
phone lines, change of phone provider as Verizon cannot accommodate 
interpretation, longer WG meetings as interventions in other languages will 
need to be translated back to English as well as additional staff support 
to set up and arrange interpreted calls.

 

Best regards,

 

Marika

 

From: Gnso-review-wg <gnso-review-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Julie 
Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>
Date: Friday, March 2, 2018 at 08:44
To: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com>, "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben" 
<wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>
Cc: "gnso-review-wg at icann.org" <gnso-review-wg at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-review-wg] [Ext] Re: Actions/Discussion Notes for GNSO 
Review WGMeeting on 01 March 2018

 

Many thanks Wolf-Ulrich for creating this very helpful calculation!  It is 
a very good tool to help the Working  Group in its discussions.

 

Kind regards,

Julie

 

From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, March 2, 2018 at 8:24 AM
To: "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>
Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>, "gnso-review-wg at icann.org" 
<gnso-review-wg at icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-review-wg] Actions/Discussion Notes for GNSO 
Review WGMeeting on 01 March 2018

 

HI,

 

The calculations makes sense. What i am wondering whether ICANN org can 
afford. Looking at the financials. Perhaps we add Financials permitting




    On Mar 2, 2018, at 16:24, Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben <
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    All,

    I did a short analysis wrt to potential language interpretation and
    transscription costs (see attached). The calculation of meetings is
    taken from the GNSO calendar 2017 (
    https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar/2017[gnso.icann.org]
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    ). It is just WGs and WTs, no SG- or Constituency-specific meetings, no
    council meetings.

    Under the assumptions made an additional budget of around 100 k$ may be
    needed. Everybody can "play" with the input parameters in the Excel
    sheet. E.g. if a "big" WG like SubPro doesn't request interpretation it
    would significantly reduce the cost.

    Maybe other scenarios are more realistic. We should discuss them.

    Best regards

    Wolf-Ulrich

     

    Am 01.03.2018 um 16:58 schrieb Julie Hedlund:

        Dear GNSO Review Working Group members,

        Â 

        Please see below the action items and discussion notes captured by
        staff from the meeting on 01 March 2018.  These high-level notes
        are designed to help WG members navigate through the content of the
        call and are not meant to be a substitute for the recording or
        transcript, which are posted on the wiki at: 
        https://community.icann.org/display/GRWG/2018[community.icann.org]
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        .

        Â 

        Please note that the next meeting will occur on 29 March either at
        1200 or 1300 UTC (time to be determined via separate message).

        Â 

        Best regards,

        Julie

        Â 

        Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

        Â 

        Â 

        Notes & Action Items GNSO Review Working Group Meeting on Thursday,
        01 March 2018 at 13:00 UTC

        Â 

        Action Items:

        Â 

        Implementation Charter for Recommendation 22:

        Action Item 1: Staff will update the organization of training
        materials on the GNSO website. Staff will update the WG
        Determination that take into account that there are already
        trainings that are accessible and include real-time interaction.
        The WG Determination will note that staff will update the website
        and will link to the updated GNSO webpage when it is ready. Â Staff
        will put the changes out for a 3-week Consensus Call.

        Â 

        Implementation Charter for Recommendations 1, 2, & 3:

        Action Item 2: Staff will add information about Council comment on
        CROP to the implementation charter once posted to public forum.
        Staff will also add text based on additional feedback that may be
        received on SG/C outreach.

        Action Item 3: Staff will adjust the text of the "note" on page 4
        to be more neutral regarding dues collected. Staff will also add
        text clarifying how dues are used within the BC with respect to
        voting.

        Action Item 4: Staff will add text to the charter elaborating on
        the link between GSE activities and recruitment for PDP WGs.

        Â 

        Implementation Charter for Recommendations 7 & 12:

        Action Item 5: Update implementation charter title to "Language
        Translation and Transcription."

        Action Item 6: Staff will add text about the translation of written
        material, including benefits, uses, and costs.

        Action Item 7: Staff will add some possible scenarios outlining the
        costs if GNSO WGs began using translation on their calls.

        Â 

        Update to the GNSO Council:

        Action Item 8: Remove the target end date of June 2018 from the
        status update to the GNSO Council.

        Â 

        Next Meeting:

        Action Item 9: Staff will send a note to the list asking whether
        the next meeting on 29 March should take place at 12:00 UTC or
        13:00 UTC (due to US change to Daylight Saving Time on 11 March
        2018).

        Â 

        Notes:

        Â 

        1. Review agenda/SOIs: No updates.

        Â 

        2. Status of Consensus Call for revised implementation charter for
        recommendation 34:

        Â 

        -- The consensus call ended on 8 February. No objections were
        raised to the text for this implementation charter.

        -- This recommendation is seen as implemented. The work is complete
        on this recommendation.

        Â 

        3. Discussion of the revised implementation charter for
        recommendation 22:

        Â 

        -- This charter has been updated based on previous discussions.

        -- The change discussed on the call on the 8th was to make minor
        updates to the WG determination.

        -- Two additional sentences have been added to the end of this
        section "The Working Group recommends that training options should
        focus on accessibility of training, and in particular real-time
        interaction through remote platforms. The Working Group also
        recommends that all of the training and learning materials are
        linked from the GNSO website and described in the context of the
        competency-based framework."

        -- Earlier in the document, the trainings are organized into a
        framework. The recommendation states that information about the
        trainings should be organized following this framework on the GNSO
        website.

        -- Question: The WGs mandate is to finalize the implementation.
        Should we simply make a recommendation or should the WG take
        additional steps to implement the work itself in collaboration with
        staff?

        -- Response: Even if it says "recommend" this does not include a
        mandate, noting that many trainings have the recommended features.
        Staff can go ahead an updating the GNSO website as recommended by
        the WG.

        -- Question: someone reading this recommendation may wonder if the
        recommendation will be followed. It is possible that the
        recommendation will be implemented or can only be implemented under
        certain circumstances.

        -- The changes suggested in Action Item 1 will be circulated and go
        out for consensus call. The WG will aim to have the consensus call
        closed by the next WG meeting after ICANN61.

        Â 

        4. Discussion of the revised implementation charter for
        recommendations 1, 2, & 3:

        Â 

        -- During the last meeting, staff was asked to make additional
        edits.

        -- Staff investigated the CROP program and updated text on this
        program based on status of the FY19 budget. The draft FY19 budget
        does not include funding for CROP.

        Â 

        Chat excerpt:

        Marika Konings: Note that this is also input that the Council is
        considering in relation to the FY19 budget (focus on KPIs and
        metrics for outreach programs)

        Â 

        -- Staff added content about Global Stakeholder Engagement.

        -- Staff investigated outreach conducted by SG/Cs and added text
        based on responses received.

        -- Additional text was included on suggested metrics based on
        feedback from the WG.

        -- Question: The note regarding BC and IPC dues may be confusing.
        The justification and rationales are not included. Could this text
        be worded in a more neutral manner. For example " There are
        Constituencies that collect dues . .."

        -- Question: How is GSE linked to recruiting more participants to
        GNSO PDP WGs? Some community members are not clear about the link.

        -- Response: Staff will add language about this link.

        -- Feedback: The community onboarding program may be useful to
        include in this implementation charter.

        -- Clarification: Membership dues allow members to reach decisions
        in the BC. While voting is not always used, when voting does take
        place, different members have a different number of votes based on
        the dues they pay.

        Â 

        5. Discussion of the implementation charter for recommendations 7 &
        12:

        Â 

        -- Staff had an action item to update text regarding current
        language services and costs. This text has been updated.

        Â 

        Chat excerpt:

        Rafik Dammak: if I am not mistaking the budget for FY19 includes
        reduction on interpretation and translation service to be provided.
        captioning seems the more reasonable option for now

        Â 

        -- The implementation charter includes possible approaches to using
        language services.

        -- Question: is this charter only covering interpretation services
        or also document translation services?

        -- Answer: because recommendation 7 is broad, the implementation
        charter should likely also include text about document translation.

        -- Question: If it is up to the WGs to determine the extent to
        which they use translation, what will be the impact on the budget?
        Could we check to see how many times GNSO WGs met last year and
        calculate the potential costs of using these services if X% chose
        to use translation services?

        Â 

        Chat excerpt:

        Marika Konings: @Wolf-Ulrich - the costs of that would be
        substantial so it would be a question of priorities for the
        GNSO/Council.

        Rafik Dammak: we used interpretation to french and spanish at ccwg
        diveristy subgroup in the last calls, few people used  it...and we
        got people asking for it

        Marika Konings: I recall that the CCWG-WS1 also 'demanded'
        interpretation for its calls, but a review of the numbers of users
        also showed that on many calls there were zero or just 1 or 2
        people on one or more of the languages offered.

        Marika Konings: maybe some more awareness of the costs involved may
        ensure that it is a more conscious decision when interpretation is
        asked (and used)

        Rafik Dammak: interpretation for weinars make sense since the
        number of attendees is much higher

        Wolf-Ulrich Knoben: that's why we need a "solid" scenario, Marika

        Marika Konings: @Rafik - but my personal view is that it should be
        demand driven, even for webinars.

        Wolf-Ulrich Knoben: demand should be estimated by the WG

        Marika Konings: @Wolf-Ulrich, but it is probably for the Council to
        oversee if/how resources are used, as this would add a significant
        cost which would need to be funded from something else noting the
        budget situation we are in?

        Â 

        6. Discussion of the updated Work Plan:

        Â 

        -- Anticipated for 29 March: Recommendations 22, 7, 12, 20, and 21
        as well as revisiting recommendations 26-29 which have been on hold
        pending additional information about GDPR implementation.

        -- In April, the WG will revisit recommendations 6, 33, 35, and 36
        which have been on hold pending work from the CCWG Accountability
        sub-group on diversity.

        Â 

        Chat excerpt:

        Rafik Dammak: diveristy final recommendations passed the first
        reading yesterday

        Rafik Dammak: close to be approved

        Â 

        -- The goal is for all recommendations to be implemented in June
        2018. The WG will provide a Final Implementation Status Report to
        OEC and the GNSO Council.

        -- Additional time may be needed for implementation of some of the
        outstanding items.

        Â 

        7. Planning for Update to GNSO Council:

        Â 

        -- Status report will be provided to the GNSO Council. This item is
        not currently on the GNSO Council agenda for ICANN61 but could be
        added under AOB.

        -- Suggestion: Do not include the internal June 2018 target date in
        the Council update.

        Â 

        8. Discussion of the implementation charter for recommendations 20
        and 21 (time permitting):Â  This item was not covered.

        Â 

        9. Next Meeting: 29 March 1300 UTC: Staff will send a note to the
        list asking whether the next meeting should take place at 12:00 UTC
        or 13:00 UTC.





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