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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Thanks for sending these notes. I will take up the drafting of a few sentences. I'm not sure the list of questions is more helpful than the basic question we're trying to answer but I am willing to put them back in
as examples of what we came up with but don't think are necessarily good wording for eliciting reactions from nonlawyers.</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">One comment: I am increasingly puzzled by the way "anecdotal" is being used across the board, including for the evidence of harm and as inserted in part 5. In a properly sampled, representative survey, the plural of
anecdote actually is data. It seems to me that, in particular, contemplated long form answers to the survey are being tossed into the "anecdote" pile for no particularly good reason. Could someone explain their reasoning on these?</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 16, 2018 4:08:47 PM<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><a name="x__MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All,
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Below are the action items and notes staff captured from the RPM Data Sub Team meeting today (16 February 2018). The notes from the call are posted to the Sub Team wiki space, together with
the call recording, transcript and Adobe Connect chat and attendance records.</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Note also that the next call will be on
<b>Friday, 23 February at 1700 UTC.</b></span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best Regards,</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Julie</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Julie Hedlund, Policy Director</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></b></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Action Items:</span></b></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">
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<li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Staff will update Section 5. Survey of Potential Registrants beginning on page 33 in the Google Doc based on the discussion during today’s call.</span></span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">With respect to hypotheticals (question on 35-36 in the Google Doc) Sub Team members should volunteer to produce two documents and circulate them on the list prior to the 23 February
call:</span></span>
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<li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">S</span></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">hort summary of what they hope to get from the use of hypotheticals;
</span></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Short summary of why not to use a hypothetical. Kristine has volunteered for the second item.</span></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></span></li></ol>
</li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">RPM Data Sub Team meeting at ICANN61: The RPM Co-Chairs will discuss whether one of the slots could be repurposed for the RPM Data Sub Team.</span></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Section 3, Survey of TM and Brand Owners: Sub Team members should review and comment on the list concerning the final anecdotal and data questions for the question “What is the evidence
of harm under the existing [exact match] system?”, page 22-23.</span></span></li></ol>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Notes:</span></b></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">5. Survey of Potential Registrants.</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Page 33 -- Inserted note to the survey providers:</span></i></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Language is helpful and clear.</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Page 34 -- Have you attempted to register a domain name in one of these new domains? [If no to both, terminate the survey]</span></i></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Thought we weren't going to suggest terminating the survey. But if they aren't considering registering and haven't tried to register then they aren't a potential registrant. Or do we
still want them to look at the claims notice? If they continue with the survey, it might be good to find if the process seems confusing.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Leave the language as is, and also give the survey provider latitude to change it.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></i></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Page 34-35 -- The wording of this set of questions should be discussed with the surveyor... [etc.]</span></i></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Gather information multiple different ways.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Question: In other cases we've been more specific; have we given enough direction here?</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Thought we were leaving in all of the variations of the questions? Examples -- deleted in the Google doc: "If, when registering your domain, you received a notice with the following wording,
would you believe you were: </span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">legally allowed to continue with the registration, not legally allowed to continue, not be sure if you were legally allowed to continue?" etc.
</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Bring back the deleted questions and include them in the note:
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">The wording of this set of questions should be discussed with the surveyor. We would like to present the language of the notice to people in all relevant groups (1-3) and
ask comprehension questions. The questions should be as neutral and non-leading as possible. This may involve beginning with “explain in your own words” and then asking more directed questions about perceptions of legal rights and risks, as well as “what
would you do next if you received the notice when you attempted to register?” (e.g., stop, continue, consult someone else, etc.) and “why or why not?” – Anecdotal question.
</span></i></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">Other sample questions:</span></i></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black"> If, when registering your domain, you received a notice with the following wording, would you believe you were:
</span></i></span><span style=""><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">a. legally allowed to continue with the registration</span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">b. not legally allowed to continue</span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">b. not be sure if you were legally allowed to continue? </span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">If, when registering your domain, you received a notice with the following wording, would you believe you would:</span></i></span><span style=""><i><span style="font-family:"Noto Sans Symbols",serif; color:black"></span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">a. definitely get sued if you continued</span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">b. might or might not get sued</span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">c. definitely would not get sued if you continued?
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<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">If, when registering your domain, you received a notice with the following wording, would you believe that:</span></i></span><span style=""><i><span style="font-family:"Noto Sans Symbols",serif; color:black"></span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">a. you had a legal right to continue with the registration?</span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">b. you might or might not have a legal right to continue with the registration?</span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">c. you had no legal right to continue with the registration?
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<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">What would you do if you received a notice with the following wording:</span></i></span><span style=""><i><span style="font-family:"Noto Sans Symbols",serif; color:black"></span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="font-family:"Noto Sans Symbols",serif; color:black">a.
</span><span style="color:black">continue with the registration</span></i></span><span style=""><i><span style="font-family:"Noto Sans Symbols",serif; color:black"></span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">b. not continue with the registration</span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">c. consult someone else [who]</span></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; vertical-align:baseline"><span style=""><i><span style="color:black">something else [explain]</span></i></span><span style=""><i><span style="font-family:"Noto Sans Symbols",serif; color:black"></span></i></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Page 35-36:</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Consider offering Hypothetical: Famous maker of computers, Horse, and scenarios at extremes such as horse.computers and horse.farm -- if consumer attempting to register these received notice,
what would they do? </span></i></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Did not have consensus on this. Guidance on what to present to the full WG.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Trying to get to a general understanding of what is trademark law, but not sure offering hypotheticals is the best way to do this. Perhaps in a more direct fashion?</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Is that the purpose of the Hypothetical? Not automatically opposed to hypotheticals, but need to understand what info we're trying to get at & whether there's a less subjective way to
get that info.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- The idea is to try to figure out if people would be scared away from non-infringing uses of TM terms.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Could ask the survey provider if this helps.
</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- It actually sounds like we don't all have the same understanding of what info the hypotheticals are trying to elicit.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- But the problem is we can never know what intent is and even if someone says I think it's ok to get "apple.farm" if their intent is bad faith (which we would not know).</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- There is no right answer.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- How useful is the data? Could also get adverse inferences. Not in agreement on what we would get by using a hypothetical. Okay if we are trying to elicite specific information that is
actionable.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Anything that helps us to make the claims notice is helpful.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ACTION: Leave this suggestion (the hypothetical) and ask for a volunteer to make a short summary of what they hope to get from the hypothetical (Rebecca?). Kristine would be willing to write
why not to use a hypothetical. Susan has offered to help.</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">2. Timing of future meetings & ICANN61</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Try to knock the Additional Marketplace RPMs on the head as quickly as possible.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Have a big session in PR to get it done. Make the room set up as a working session. Make it clear that people shouldn't be there if they aren't going to be working. Not a presentation
of findings. Make sure we have remote participation.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- Could be difficult to schedule an additional meeting given conflicts, and “pop-up” rooms do not have remote access.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- The RPM WG has 4 session slots for a total of 6 hours; the Co-Chairs will discuss whether one of the slots could be repurposed for the RPM Data Sub Team.
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