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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi Rebecca,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">As I said on the call, we are effectively trying to prove a negative, albeit apparently somehow with the assistance of data (which may prove elusive).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">What we can look at for example is whether the providers fulfil their notification obligations (which consist of notice by email, post, and fax to the registrant, tech and
admin contacts, and any email address the complainant provides). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The claim that some registrants may choose not to respond was not however “cherry-picked” (in that it was not made in reference to a specific “problem case”), it was merely
put forward as an anecdotal consideration, and although it was not my claim I believe at that it was even put forward to suggest that we ought to be circumspect about assigning a problem where there may not be one (or at least less of one than the “data” would
lead you to believe at first instance).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Tushnet, Rebecca [mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 26, 2018 6:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BECKHAM, Brian; Berry Cobb; gnso-rpm-documents@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-documents] Action & Notes: RPM Sub Team for URS Documents call on Wednesday, 21 February 2018 18:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">If practitioner experience isn't relevant (I agree it's not necessarily representative of the full universe), why should our notes include the factual claim from a member of the WG that registrants
often choose not to respond? What is the factual, non-cherry picked evidence for that claim?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Gnso-rpm-documents <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-documents-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-documents-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of BECKHAM, Brian <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 26, 2018 12:19:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Berry Cobb; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-documents@icann.org">gnso-rpm-documents@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-documents] Action & Notes: RPM Sub Team for URS Documents call on Wednesday, 21 February 2018 18:00 UTC</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks for these good notes Berry,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Just one question/clarification, as to this note:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">“What type of mark was submitted in complaint?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Qualitative experiences from Practitioners as it relates to what they see in regards to Standing, Grounds, Filing Period [Need to further develop
these questions]”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If I understand the way this is recorded correctly (this comes up at about minute 21 on the call), I raised concerns about standing/grounds experiences
from practitioners, and suggested that instead that we simply look at whether the mark is listed in the decision (note that as a filing requirement/compliance review matter, there is a requirement that the complaint list the mark on which it is based).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The same concern has been raised numerous times as to the standard of proof, namely that if we simply ask practitioners for their experiences there
is a significant risk of cherry-picking for effect and focusing in only on a few select cases that people feel should have gone a different way, and we are not privy to the pleadings (and, frankly unfortunately many of the decisions are extremely light on
text/reasoning).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I would also like to see if the notes can reflect that in terms of notice (building on the provider obligations) that in many cases the registrant
chooses not to respond, and this should not be mistaken as a “notice issue”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Brian
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Gnso-rpm-documents [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-documents-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-documents-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Berry Cobb<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 23, 2018 4:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-documents@icann.org">gnso-rpm-documents@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-rpm-documents] Action & Notes: RPM Sub Team for URS Documents call on Wednesday, 21 February 2018 18:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">Please find attached the meeting notes and the updated the Complication of URS Discussion Documents that we reviewed yesterday. The notes highlight each sections the group reviewed
with a summary of data sources. The data sources were then imported into a new column #5 labeled “Data Sources”. I tried to detail which data sources need to be passed to the Practitioners or the Providers, but I think we will want to spend a little time
refining the actual request/questions we want them to take on. We can discuss more on our next call.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">Our next call is scheduled for 28 Feb. 2018 at 18:00 UTC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">B</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">Berry A. Cobb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">720.839.5735</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:mail@berrycobb.com">mail@berrycobb.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">@berrycobb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Gnso-rpm-documents [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-documents-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-documents-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Julie Bisland<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 21, 2018 17:48<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-documents@icann.org">gnso-rpm-documents@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-rpm-documents] Recordings, Attendance, & AC Chat for RPM Sub Team for URS Documents call held Wednesday, 21 February 2018 at 18:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Dear all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Please find the attendance</span> and AC Chat transcript<span style="color:black"> attached to this email, and the mp3 and Adobe Connect recording below for the
</span><span style="color:#333333;background:white">RPM Sub Team for URS Documents
</span><span style="color:black">call held </span><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white">Wednesday, 21 February 2018 at 18:00 UTC </span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Attendance</span> and recordings<span style="color:black"> of the call is posted on agenda wiki page:
</span> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_7hi8B&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=KnoWjcAyzIrdmL07qIDHDleOIfJoW_OWv0-WLc7gTvk&s=cfBxzB93nP6817NZdleXTrCCDSWPs43djGRCsGiEbe8&e=">https://community.icann.org/x/7hi8B</a>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><b>Mp3: </b><span style="color:#111111"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gnso-2Drpm-2Dreview-2Durs-2Ddocuments-2D21feb18-2Den.mp3&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=KnoWjcAyzIrdmL07qIDHDleOIfJoW_OWv0-WLc7gTvk&s=tv0r2Do0PJTI_dITML6Ey5bCXCr3p7fgI_MDUHvkEqQ&e=">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-urs-documents-21feb18-en.mp3</a>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span class="xmsohyperlink"><b>Adobe Connect recording: </b></span>
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_p4ipaheruds_-3FOWASP-5FCSRFTOKEN-3D9b19dba8ccfaa74a1f84aabd2cbf6b308ed82b52e0357dbfaf02810e749d2e3c&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=KnoWjcAyzIrdmL07qIDHDleOIfJoW_OWv0-WLc7gTvk&s=rMv1inohRZG7OcBRGzeaw-3XdfLGCpguCioxqKr8JJM&e=">
<b><span style="color:black;background:white">https://participate.icann.org/p4ipaheruds/</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
</span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=tfAXvExKGQm_dLUmcPvKRPZjkN59C1yaAhUWzvHBaxM&s=flwO6Bbv0xVjqRxqQnmGYTtMtKgfTCxLKr3M-kAqYjM&e=">https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar[gnso.icann.org]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#333333;background:white">Mailing list archives: </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mm.icann.org_pipermail_gnso-2Drpm-2Ddocuments_&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=KnoWjcAyzIrdmL07qIDHDleOIfJoW_OWv0-WLc7gTvk&s=VuKlbYx-aboLLazLcdirpExvkIXB_zYTzhhEnlul6wM&e="><span style="color:#3B73AF;background:white;text-decoration:none">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-documents/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white">Main w<span style="color:black">iki page</span> for the working group<span style="color:black">: </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_zRW8B&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=KnoWjcAyzIrdmL07qIDHDleOIfJoW_OWv0-WLc7gTvk&s=W-YXXQXBNunE6H0u4hTOsNYnwjYYlrRbGToVJdpZuNk&e=">https://community.icann.org/x/zRW8B</a>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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