[Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Help fill out the practitioners spreadsheet
Kathy Kleiman
kathy at kathykleiman.com
Tue Feb 27 20:13:11 UTC 2018
Great thanks to Jay C. and Scott A.!! If others are interested in a bit
of field research, here is the link and instructions are on the spreadsheet.
*Link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VBgK2XRQRWkKONiJiLhSHpBYwf0nSGbvckeJrECeBU/edit?usp=sharing
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VBgK2XRQRWkKONiJiLhSHpBYwf0nSGbvckeJrECeBU/edit?usp=sharing>
*
It's very interesting to go through the URS cases...
Best, Kathy
(Based on spreadsheet line numbers - far left)
1-100 Kathy Kleiman (done)
200-250 - Collin Kurre
300-250 - Georges Nahitchevansky
400-450 - Gerald Levine
500-550 - Jason Schaeffer
600-650 - Jay Chapman (done)
700-750 - Petter Rindforth
800-1269 - Kathy Kleiman
1270- 1320 - Scott Austin (done)
1370- 1420 - Zhou Heng
1470- 1520 - Julie Hedlund
On 2/27/2018 12:12 AM, Jay Chapman wrote:
> Thanks, Kathy.
>
> 600-650 is done.
> Of the cases searched, 32% listed complainant counsel's name.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jay Chapman*
> *
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> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Scott Austin <SAustin at vlplawgroup.com
> <mailto:SAustin at vlplawgroup.com>> wrote:
>
> Kathy:
>
> I complete my portion of your list assignment (rows 1270-1320) and
> inserted counsel for complainant based on review of the cases
> listed, but most do not name the specific practitioner, only the
> firm, and none listed a counsel for respondent, unless the
> placekeepers listed in the case file as *«cFirstName» «cMiddle»
> «cLastName» *for respondent’s representative were more than
> placekeepers and signaled characters that did not transliterate.
> Also agree with Georges N. that there are many more practitioners
> than those listed, as well as the URS panelists themselves who if
> they are so inclined may have some general observations to share
> on procedural or other challenges faced given the short amount of
> time and resources available to decide each expedited summary
> proceeding.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Scott
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> *From:*Gnso-rpm-practitioner
> [mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *Kathy Kleiman
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:24 AM
> *To:* gnso-rpm-practitioner at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Help fill out the practitioners
> spreadsheet
>
> Hi Jason and All,
>
> There seems to be a misunderstanding, and that's OK. I thought
> that Staff would be uploading the Practitioners spreadsheet that I
> started to allow everyone to help continue the work. I did not see
> that below, so I have uploaded the spreadsheet and opened it up.
> */Could you help fill in the Practitioners? I did the first 100
> or so, but I am willing to bet that the Practitioners at the start
> of the URS may be only a small set of those who have been
> practicing in URS proceedings more recently. /*
>
> Could you help with filling in the spreadsheet? A half hour or so
> of everyone's time before this Wednesday's meeting (members and
> staff) should give us some great insight!
>
> To avoid overlaps, I've put in names below. No obligation -- just
> a space in the spreadsheet should you want to. Link below. Some
> guidance for quick & easy searches at the top of the spreadsheet.
> You should have full edit privileges!
>
> *Link:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VBgK2XRQRWkKONiJiLhSHpBYwf0nSGbvckeJrECeBU/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VBgK2XRQRWkKONiJiLhSHpBYwf0nSGbvckeJrECeBU/edit?usp=sharing>
>
> *
> (Based on spreadsheet line numbers - far left)
> 200-250 - Collin Kurre
> 300-250 - Georges Nahitchevansky
> 400-450 - Gerald Levine
> 500-550 - Jason Schaeffer
> 600-650 - Jay Chapman
> 700-750 - Petter Rindforth
> 800-1269 - Kathy Kleiman (it's mostly one case)
> 1270- 1320 - Scott Austin
> 1370- 1420 - Zhou Heng
> 1470- 1520 - Julie Hedlund
> 1570- 1620 Michelle DeSmyte
>
> Many thanks!!
> Best, Kathy
>
> On 2/22/2018 9:17 AM, Julie Hedlund wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Please note that the links to the two Google docs have been
> updated to facilitate editing. We apologize for any
> inconvenience caused by the previous links.
>
> *Action Items (with updated links):*
>
> 1. Staff will prepare a Google spreadsheet of the list of
> practitioners – /done/, see:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing>
>
>
> 2. Staff will prepare a Google doc with the questions and
> arrange them in buckets – /done/, see:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Julie
>
> *From: *Gnso-rpm-practitioner
> <gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>
> <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:06 PM
> *To: *"gnso-rpm-practitioner at icann.org"
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner at icann.org>
> <gnso-rpm-practitioner at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Action & Notes: RPM Sub
> Team for URS Practitioners call on Wednesday, 21 February 2018
> 18:00 UTC
>
> Dear all,
>
> Per the actions below please see the links to the requested
> Google documents. These documents are open to editing and Sub
> Team members are encouraged to suggest edits directly in the
> text. For example, staff welcomes additional suggestions for
> practitioners, as well as contacts and contact information.
> With respect to the questions, staff welcomes edits to the
> questions and topic areas, as well as additional suggested
> questions,
>
> *Action Items:*
>
> 1. Staff will prepare a Google spreadsheet of the list of
> practitioners – /done/, see:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing>
>
>
> 2. Staff will prepare a Google doc with the questions and
> arrange them in buckets – /done/, see:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing>
>
>
> Thank you very much for your assistance and please let us know
> if you have any questions.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Julie
>
> *From: *Gnso-rpm-practitioner
> <gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>
> <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 2:59 PM
> *To: *"gnso-rpm-practitioner at icann.org"
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner at icann.org>
> <gnso-rpm-practitioner at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Action & Notes: RPM Sub
> Team for URS Practitioners call on Wednesday, 21 February 2018
> 18:00 UTC
>
> Dear all,
>
> Below are the action items and notes staff captured from the
> RPM Sub Team for URS Practitioners meeting today (21 February
> 2018). The notes from the call are posted to the Sub Team
> wiki space, together with the call recording, transcript and
> Adobe Connect chat and attendance records.
>
> Note also that the next call will be on *Friday, 28 February
> at 1800 UTC.*
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Julie
>
> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>
> *Action Items:*
>
> 1. Staff will prepare a Google spreadsheet of the list of
> practitioners.
>
> 2. Staff will prepare a Google doc with the questions and
> arrange them in buckets.
>
> *Notes:*
>
> 1. Overview of scope of work and selection of Sub Team
> chair(s) (if desired): Jason Schaeffer volunteered to Chair.
>
> Scope of Work
>
> -- Look to the expertise of this group on identifying
> practitioners.
>
> -- Brainstorm on scope and nature of concerns to help drive
> the questions.
>
> 2. Discussion:
>
> a) Identify a list of experienced URS practitioners:
>
> -- Looking to identify a set of experienced URS practitioners.
>
> -- Wondering if we should include on the agenda how we do the
> outreach to these practitioners? What do we ask them?
>
> -- Start filling in a spreadsheet of practitioners.
>
> -- Start with who we know now and add to it, from URS cases.
>
> -- Think it is important to think on the practitioner side --
> there are a lot of people who practice in this space, but
> others who have decided not to do URS, but use UDRP instead.
> Get insight from people who practice in online enforcement and
> find out why they don't use the URS.
>
> List of Practitioners: David Taylor, John Berryhill, Richard
> Biagi... URS attorneys,
> yoyo.email<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https://yoyo.email&c=E,1,xumqx9T7CfJevQtRK9S8ljtq033qYpF5dg5UIGnX54nQqJD8ttZxVImxgKRfb5pNKaxv4XDvhMnM4zp04yIwIa8vFms7V9DaS4VTqqymUSaztfT8&typo=1>of
> Dunstable, International, GB.; Doug Eisenberg, David
> Bernstein, Flip Petillon, Zak Muscovitch, CSC Digital Brand
> Services of Wilmington, DE (representative to TM owners), Mark
> Monitor, Stobbs Julius E Stobbs of Cambridge (does a lot of
> the Virgin work), David E. Weslow of Washington, DC, China
> Trademark Association to help identify practitioners.
>
> b) Develop a list of questions directed at these practitioners:
>
> Organization: Seems that we will have procedural issues,
> substantive issues and practical issues (filing mechanics,
> word limitations, etc>) Should we break up our work into
> different buckets? The third bucket could be tactics and
> approaches or something similar, to cover questions to both
> URS and non-URS practitioners, eg those that chose alternate
> methods — UDRP, litigation, etc
>
> Questions:
>
> -- Do they use TMCH or a printout from active web sites. Why
> they use one for evidence of use over the other one, for
> establishing the claim.
>
> -- .SMD file -- is it a good basis for proof of use of the
> mark? If not, what would they recommend?
>
> -- Threshold question: whether or not a practitioner is
> choosing to use the URS and if not why are they bypassing the URS?
>
> -- If they are bringing a claim are they happy with the
> process? Is the process clear? Any procedural problems?
>
> -- Notice: Are practitioners finding that the notice is
> getting through to the registrant and which one is getting
> through? Hard copy, email, etc.?
>
> -- How do the practitioners feel about the ability to refile
> after 6 months, appeal process? The extended mechanisms.
>
> -- Questions on the burden of proof and the remedies available.
>
> -- The appeal process -- what do they think about it? Its use
> by domain name holders? What can we do to make it better? May
> be very few cases that have appealed, is it being used?
>
> -- Fees: Ask about whether the fee is too high or too low?
> Whether or not the fee structure works for the URS and does it
> factor into a brand protector whether or not to file.
>
> -- Response fee for multiple filing.
>
> -- What do they think about the suspension for the duration of
> the registration? Whether to have an extended time of the
> suspension. The suspension may also apply to the decision
> whether or not to use the URS as a protection mechanism.
>
> -- The way that the brand owner and practitioners -- how do
> they know about the URS?
>
> -- How do registrants know about the responses to the URS and
> the affirmative defenses? Question about URS awareness
> generally and how it is disseminated to brand owners and
> others, and the effectiveness of that.
>
> -- How do the practitioners feel about the expertise of the
> examiners and the fairness of the decisions. Whether or not
> the practitioners are satisfied with the examiners and the
> fairness of their decisions. Also gets to the issue of
> training of examiners.
>
> -- Whether or not there should be something analogous for the
> URS that gives more certainty to the structure. Should we
> have a analogous WIPO's reviews.
>
> -- Apart from looking at remedies and effectiveness -- look at
> the burden of proof, is it clear, does it need to be
> modified? Bad faith, and/or discussion.
>
> -- Should there be more guidance regarding what meets the
> "clear and convincing" standard? This might get into training
> for providers, for the larger group.
>
> -- Other thought regards WHOIS issues (inaccuracy of such)
> and how that impacts -- particularly with the GPDR
>
> 3. Next steps/next meeting:
>
> -- Next steps: Staff to produce Google docs and circulate.
>
> -- Next meeting: 28 February at 1800 UTC.
>
>
>
>
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