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<p>Hi Jason and All,</p>
<p>There seems to be a misunderstanding, and that's OK. I thought
that Staff would be uploading the Practitioners spreadsheet that I
started to allow everyone to help continue the work. I did not see
that below, so I have uploaded the spreadsheet and opened it up. <i><b>Could
you help fill in the Practitioners? I did the first 100 or
so, but I am willing to bet that the Practitioners at the
start of the URS may be only a small set of those who have
been practicing in URS proceedings more recently. </b></i><i><b><br>
</b></i></p>
<p>Could you help with filling in the spreadsheet? A half hour or
so of everyone's time before this Wednesday's meeting (members and
staff) should give us some great insight! <br>
</p>
To avoid overlaps, I've put in names below. No obligation -- just a
space in the spreadsheet should you want to. Link below. Some
guidance for quick & easy searches at the top of the
spreadsheet. You should have full edit privileges!<br>
<br>
<b>Link:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VBgK2XRQRWkKONiJiLhSHpBYwf0nSGbvckeJrECeBU/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VBgK2XRQRWkKONiJiLhSHpBYwf0nSGbvckeJrECeBU/edit?usp=sharing</a>
</b><b><br>
</b><br>
(Based on spreadsheet line numbers - far left)<br>
200-250 - Collin Kurre<br>
300-250 - Georges Nahitchevansky<br>
400-450 - Gerald Levine<br>
500-550 - Jason Schaeffer<br>
600-650 - Jay Chapman<br>
700-750 - Petter Rindforth<br>
800-1269 - Kathy Kleiman (it's mostly one case)<br>
1270- 1320 - Scott Austin<br>
1370- 1420 - Zhou Heng<br>
1470- 1520 - Julie Hedlund<br>
1570- 1620 Michelle DeSmyte<br>
<br>
Many thanks!!<br>
Best, Kathy<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/22/2018 9:17 AM, Julie Hedlund
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please note that the links to the two
Google docs have been updated to facilitate editing. We
apologize for any inconvenience caused by the previous links.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Action Items (with updated links):</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Staff will prepare a Google spreadsheet
of the list of practitioners – <i>done</i>, see: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Staff will prepare a Google doc with the
questions and arrange them in buckets – <i>done</i>, see: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Julie<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-rpm-practitioner
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf
of Julie Hedlund <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><julie.hedlund@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:06 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org">"gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Action &
Notes: RPM Sub Team for URS Practitioners call on
Wednesday, 21 February 2018 18:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Per the actions below please see the links
to the requested Google documents. These documents are open
to editing and Sub Team members are encouraged to suggest
edits directly in the text. For example, staff welcomes
additional suggestions for practitioners, as well as contacts
and contact information. With respect to the questions, staff
welcomes edits to the questions and topic areas, as well as
additional suggested questions, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Action Items:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Staff will prepare a Google spreadsheet
of the list of practitioners – <i>done</i>, see: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Staff will prepare a Google doc with the
questions and arrange them in buckets – <i>done</i>, see: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you very much for your assistance and
please let us know if you have any questions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Julie<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-rpm-practitioner
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf
of Julie Hedlund <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><julie.hedlund@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 2:59 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org">"gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Action &
Notes: RPM Sub Team for URS Practitioners call on
Wednesday, 21 February 2018 18:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:black">Dear all,</span><o:p></o:p></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="color:black">Below are the action items and notes
staff captured from the RPM Sub Team for URS Practitioners
meeting today (21 February 2018). The notes from the call
are posted to the Sub Team wiki space, together with the
call recording, transcript and Adobe Connect chat and
attendance records.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="color:black">Note also that the next call will be
on <b>Friday, 28 February at 1800 UTC.</b></span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="color:black">Best Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="color:black">Julie</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="color:black">Julie Hedlund, Policy Director</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b>Action Items:</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">1. Staff will prepare
a Google spreadsheet of the list of practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">2. Staff will prepare
a Google doc with the questions and arrange them in buckets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b>Notes:</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">1. Overview of scope
of work and selection of Sub Team chair(s) (if desired):
Jason Schaeffer volunteered to Chair.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Scope of Work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Look to the
expertise of this group on identifying practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Brainstorm on
scope and nature of concerns to help drive the questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">2. Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">a) Identify a list of
experienced URS practitioners:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Looking to
identify a set of experienced URS practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Wondering if we
should include on the agenda how we do the outreach to these
practitioners? What do we ask them?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Start filling in a
spreadsheet of practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Start with who we
know now and add to it, from URS cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Think it is
important to think on the practitioner side -- there are a
lot of people who practice in this space, but others who
have decided not to do URS, but use UDRP instead. Get
insight from people who practice in online enforcement and
find out why they don't use the URS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">List of
Practitioners: David Taylor, John Berryhill, Richard
Biagi... URS attorneys, yoyo.email of Dunstable,
International, GB.; Doug Eisenberg, David Bernstein, Flip
Petillon, Zak Muscovitch, CSC Digital Brand Services of
Wilmington, DE (representative to TM owners), Mark Monitor,
Stobbs Julius E Stobbs of Cambridge (does a lot of the
Virgin work), David E. Weslow of Washington, DC, China
Trademark Association to help identify practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">b) Develop a list of
questions directed at these practitioners:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Organization: Seems
that we will have procedural issues, substantive issues and
practical issues (filing mechanics, word limitations,
etc>) Should we break up our work into different
buckets? The third bucket could be tactics and approaches
or something similar, to cover questions to both URS and
non-URS practitioners, eg those that chose alternate methods
— UDRP, litigation, etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Do they use TMCH
or a printout from active web sites. Why they use one for
evidence of use over the other one, for establishing the
claim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- .SMD file -- is it
a good basis for proof of use of the mark? If not, what
would they recommend?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Threshold
question: whether or not a practitioner is choosing to use
the URS and if not why are they bypassing the URS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- If they are
bringing a claim are they happy with the process? Is the
process clear? Any procedural problems?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Notice: Are
practitioners finding that the notice is getting through to
the registrant and which one is getting through? Hard copy,
email, etc.?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- How do the
practitioners feel about the ability to refile after 6
months, appeal process? The extended mechanisms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Questions on the
burden of proof and the remedies available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- The appeal process
-- what do they think about it? Its use by domain name
holders? What can we do to make it better? May be very few
cases that have appealed, is it being used? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Fees: Ask about
whether the fee is too high or too low? Whether or not the
fee structure works for the URS and does it factor into a
brand protector whether or not to file.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Response fee for
multiple filing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- What do they think
about the suspension for the duration of the registration?
Whether to have an extended time of the suspension. The
suspension may also apply to the decision whether or not to
use the URS as a protection mechanism.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- The way that the
brand owner and practitioners -- how do they know about the
URS? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- How do registrants
know about the responses to the URS and the affirmative
defenses? Question about URS awareness generally and how it
is disseminated to brand owners and others, and the
effectiveness of that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- How do the
practitioners feel about the expertise of the examiners and
the fairness of the decisions. Whether or not the
practitioners are satisfied with the examiners and the
fairness of their decisions. Also gets to the issue of
training of examiners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Whether or not
there should be something analogous for the URS that gives
more certainty to the structure. Should we have a analogous
WIPO's reviews.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Apart from looking
at remedies and effectiveness -- look at the burden of
proof, is it clear, does it need to be modified? Bad faith,
and/or discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Should there be
more guidance regarding what meets the "clear and
convincing" standard? This might get into training for
providers, for the larger group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Other thought
regards WHOIS issues (inaccuracy of such) and how that
impacts -- particularly with the GPDR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">3. Next steps/next
meeting: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Next steps: Staff
to produce Google docs and circulate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Next meeting: 28
February at 1800 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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