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<p>Georges and All,</p>
<p>I did check with the Co-Chairs during our leadership meeting. In
the interest of time, they would like us to reach out to URS
Practitioners. If we have questions regarding the URS from the
perspective of the UDRP Practitioners, they urge us to work with
the URS/UDRP overlapping practitioners. <br>
</p>
<p>Best regards, Kathy<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/26/2018 6:12 PM, Nahitchevansky,
Georges wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kathy:<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="color:#1F497D">Question. My understanding was that
staff was providing a list of practitioners that we had
started to put together on the call and that we would add
names to that list. This seems like a separate endeavor
particularly as we discussed that the practitioners should
not be limited to just individuals who filed or defended
URS cases, but should include practitioners in the online
enforcement world who can comment on issues regarding the
URS, such as why or why not they use the URS and related
issues. So it seems that we should be adding names of
practitioners to the list that staff has already provided.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="color:#1F497D">Georges<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Gnso-rpm-practitioner
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org">gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Help fill out
the practitioners spreadsheet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Hi Jason and All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There seems to be a misunderstanding, and that's OK. I
thought that Staff would be uploading the Practitioners
spreadsheet that I started to allow everyone to help continue
the work. I did not see that below, so I have uploaded the
spreadsheet and opened it up. <b><i>Could you help fill in
the Practitioners? I did the first 100 or so, but I am
willing to bet that the Practitioners at the start of the
URS may be only a small set of those who have been
practicing in URS proceedings more recently.
</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Could you help with filling in the spreadsheet? A half hour
or so of everyone's time before this Wednesday's meeting
(members and staff) should give us some great insight!
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">To avoid
overlaps, I've put in names below. No obligation -- just a
space in the spreadsheet should you want to. Link below. Some
guidance for quick & easy searches at the top of the
spreadsheet. You should have full edit privileges!<br>
<br>
<b>Link: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VBgK2XRQRWkKONiJiLhSHpBYwf0nSGbvckeJrECeBU/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VBgK2XRQRWkKONiJiLhSHpBYwf0nSGbvckeJrECeBU/edit?usp=sharing</a>
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(Based on spreadsheet line numbers - far left)<br>
200-250 - Collin Kurre<br>
300-250 - Georges Nahitchevansky<br>
400-450 - Gerald Levine<br>
500-550 - Jason Schaeffer<br>
600-650 - Jay Chapman<br>
700-750 - Petter Rindforth<br>
800-1269 - Kathy Kleiman (it's mostly one case)<br>
1270- 1320 - Scott Austin<br>
1370- 1420 - Zhou Heng<br>
1470- 1520 - Julie Hedlund<br>
1570- 1620 Michelle DeSmyte<br>
<br>
Many thanks!!<br>
Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/22/2018 9:17 AM, Julie Hedlund
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please note that the links to the two
Google docs have been updated to facilitate editing. We
apologize for any inconvenience caused by the previous
links.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Action Items (with updated links):</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Staff will prepare a Google
spreadsheet of the list of practitioners –
<i>done</i>, see: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Staff will prepare a Google doc with
the questions and arrange them in buckets –
<i>done</i>, see: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Julie<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gnso-rpm-practitioner
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org></a>
on behalf of Julie Hedlund
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><julie.hedlund@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:06 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org">"gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Action
& Notes: RPM Sub Team for URS Practitioners call on
Wednesday, 21 February 2018 18:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Per the actions below please see the
links to the requested Google documents. These documents
are open to editing and Sub Team members are encouraged to
suggest edits directly in the text. For example, staff
welcomes additional suggestions for practitioners, as well
as contacts and contact information. With respect to the
questions, staff welcomes edits to the questions and topic
areas, as well as additional suggested questions,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Action Items:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Staff will prepare a Google
spreadsheet of the list of practitioners –
<i>done</i>, see: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Staff will prepare a Google doc with
the questions and arrange them in buckets –
<i>done</i>, see: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you very much for your assistance
and please let us know if you have any questions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Julie<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gnso-rpm-practitioner
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org></a>
on behalf of Julie Hedlund
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><julie.hedlund@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 2:59 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org">"gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Action &
Notes: RPM Sub Team for URS Practitioners call on
Wednesday, 21 February 2018 18:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailOriginalBody">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Below are the
action items and notes staff captured from the RPM Sub
Team for URS Practitioners meeting today (21 February
2018). The notes from the call are posted to the Sub Team
wiki space, together with the call recording, transcript
and Adobe Connect chat and attendance records.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Note also that the
next call will be on <b>Friday, 28 February at 1800 UTC.</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Julie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Julie Hedlund,
Policy Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b>Action Items:</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">1. Staff will
prepare a Google spreadsheet of the list of practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">2. Staff will
prepare a Google doc with the questions and arrange them
in buckets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b>Notes:</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">1. Overview of
scope of work and selection of Sub Team chair(s) (if
desired): Jason Schaeffer volunteered to Chair.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Scope of Work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Look to the
expertise of this group on identifying practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Brainstorm on
scope and nature of concerns to help drive the questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">2. Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">a) Identify a list
of experienced URS practitioners:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Looking to
identify a set of experienced URS practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Wondering if we
should include on the agenda how we do the outreach to
these practitioners? What do we ask them?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Start filling in
a spreadsheet of practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Start with who
we know now and add to it, from URS cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Think it is
important to think on the practitioner side -- there are a
lot of people who practice in this space, but others who
have decided not to do URS, but use UDRP instead. Get
insight from people who practice in online enforcement and
find out why they don't use the URS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">List of
Practitioners: David Taylor, John Berryhill, Richard
Biagi... URS attorneys, yoyo.email of Dunstable,
International, GB.; Doug Eisenberg, David Bernstein, Flip
Petillon, Zak Muscovitch, CSC Digital Brand Services of
Wilmington, DE (representative to TM owners), Mark
Monitor, Stobbs Julius E Stobbs of Cambridge (does a lot
of the Virgin work), David E. Weslow of Washington, DC,
China Trademark Association to help identify
practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">b) Develop a list
of questions directed at these practitioners:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Organization: Seems
that we will have procedural issues, substantive issues
and practical issues (filing mechanics, word limitations,
etc>) Should we break up our work into different
buckets? The third bucket could be tactics and approaches
or something similar, to cover questions to both URS and
non-URS practitioners, eg those that chose alternate
methods — UDRP, litigation, etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Do they use TMCH
or a printout from active web sites. Why they use one for
evidence of use over the other one, for establishing the
claim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- .SMD file -- is
it a good basis for proof of use of the mark? If not,
what would they recommend?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Threshold
question: whether or not a practitioner is choosing to use
the URS and if not why are they bypassing the URS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- If they are
bringing a claim are they happy with the process? Is the
process clear? Any procedural problems?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Notice: Are
practitioners finding that the notice is getting through
to the registrant and which one is getting through? Hard
copy, email, etc.?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- How do the
practitioners feel about the ability to refile after 6
months, appeal process? The extended mechanisms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Questions on the
burden of proof and the remedies available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- The appeal
process -- what do they think about it? Its use by domain
name holders? What can we do to make it better? May be
very few cases that have appealed, is it being used?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Fees: Ask about
whether the fee is too high or too low? Whether or not
the fee structure works for the URS and does it factor
into a brand protector whether or not to file.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Response fee for
multiple filing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- What do they
think about the suspension for the duration of the
registration? Whether to have an extended time of the
suspension. The suspension may also apply to the decision
whether or not to use the URS as a protection mechanism.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- The way that the
brand owner and practitioners -- how do they know about
the URS?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- How do
registrants know about the responses to the URS and the
affirmative defenses? Question about URS awareness
generally and how it is disseminated to brand owners and
others, and the effectiveness of that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- How do the
practitioners feel about the expertise of the examiners
and the fairness of the decisions. Whether or not the
practitioners are satisfied with the examiners and the
fairness of their decisions. Also gets to the issue of
training of examiners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Whether or not
there should be something analogous for the URS that gives
more certainty to the structure. Should we have a
analogous WIPO's reviews.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Apart from
looking at remedies and effectiveness -- look at the
burden of proof, is it clear, does it need to be
modified? Bad faith, and/or discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Should there be
more guidance regarding what meets the "clear and
convincing" standard? This might get into training for
providers, for the larger group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Other thought
regards WHOIS issues (inaccuracy of such) and how that
impacts -- particularly with the GPDR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">3. Next steps/next
meeting:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Next steps:
Staff to produce Google docs and circulate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Next meeting: 28
February at 1800 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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