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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:#1F497D">My 50 are done<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> Kathy Kleiman [mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 26, 2018 6:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nahitchevansky, Georges <ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com>; gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Help fill out the practitioners spreadsheet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Georges and All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I did check with the Co-Chairs during our leadership meeting. In the interest of time, they would like us to reach out to URS Practitioners. If we have questions regarding the URS from the perspective of the UDRP Practitioners, they urge us to work with
the URS/UDRP overlapping practitioners. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best regards, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/26/2018 6:12 PM, Nahitchevansky, Georges wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kathy:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Question. My understanding was that staff was providing a list of practitioners that we had started to put together on the call and that we would add names to that list. This seems like a separate endeavor
particularly as we discussed that the practitioners should not be limited to just individuals who filed or defended URS cases, but should include practitioners in the online enforcement world who can comment on issues regarding the URS, such as why or why
not they use the URS and related issues. So it seems that we should be adding names of practitioners to the list that staff has already provided.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Georges</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> Gnso-rpm-practitioner [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org">gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Help fill out the practitioners spreadsheet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Hi Jason and All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There seems to be a misunderstanding, and that's OK. I thought that Staff would be uploading the Practitioners spreadsheet that I started to allow everyone to help continue the work. I did not see that below, so I have uploaded the spreadsheet and opened
it up. <b><i>Could you help fill in the Practitioners? I did the first 100 or so, but I am willing to bet that the Practitioners at the start of the URS may be only a small set of those who have been practicing in URS proceedings more recently.
</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Could you help with filling in the spreadsheet? A half hour or so of everyone's time before this Wednesday's meeting (members and staff) should give us some great insight!
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">To avoid overlaps, I've put in names below. No obligation -- just a space in the spreadsheet should you want to. Link below. Some guidance for quick & easy searches at the top of the spreadsheet. You should
have full edit privileges!<br>
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<b>Link: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VBgK2XRQRWkKONiJiLhSHpBYwf0nSGbvckeJrECeBU/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15VBgK2XRQRWkKONiJiLhSHpBYwf0nSGbvckeJrECeBU/edit?usp=sharing</a>
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(Based on spreadsheet line numbers - far left)<br>
200-250 - Collin Kurre<br>
300-250 - Georges Nahitchevansky<br>
400-450 - Gerald Levine<br>
500-550 - Jason Schaeffer<br>
600-650 - Jay Chapman<br>
700-750 - Petter Rindforth<br>
800-1269 - Kathy Kleiman (it's mostly one case)<br>
1270- 1320 - Scott Austin<br>
1370- 1420 - Zhou Heng<br>
1470- 1520 - Julie Hedlund<br>
1570- 1620 Michelle DeSmyte<br>
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Many thanks!!<br>
Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/22/2018 9:17 AM, Julie Hedlund wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please note that the links to the two Google docs have been updated to facilitate editing. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the previous links.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Action Items (with updated links):</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Staff will prepare a Google spreadsheet of the list of practitioners –
<i>done</i>, see: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Staff will prepare a Google doc with the questions and arrange them in buckets –
<i>done</i>, see: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Julie<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gnso-rpm-practitioner
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf of Julie Hedlund
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><julie.hedlund@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:06 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org">"gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Action & Notes: RPM Sub Team for URS Practitioners call on Wednesday, 21 February 2018 18:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Per the actions below please see the links to the requested Google documents. These documents are open to editing and Sub Team members are encouraged to suggest edits directly in the text. For example, staff welcomes additional suggestions
for practitioners, as well as contacts and contact information. With respect to the questions, staff welcomes edits to the questions and topic areas, as well as additional suggested questions,
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Action Items:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Staff will prepare a Google spreadsheet of the list of practitioners –
<i>done</i>, see: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xtoDMVGgvLw6TTDrXarVg2gj2xgR6pm_R6FilPu5qgc/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Staff will prepare a Google doc with the questions and arrange them in buckets –
<i>done</i>, see: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1czGq3Y5Z1bVx1ys_MnfLkFE1S-_Dwc3kRzfrTprlNFE/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you very much for your assistance and please let us know if you have any questions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Julie<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gnso-rpm-practitioner
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf of Julie Hedlund
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><julie.hedlund@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 2:59 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org">"gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-practitioner@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Gnso-rpm-practitioner] Action & Notes: RPM Sub Team for URS Practitioners call on Wednesday, 21 February 2018 18:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Below are the action items and notes staff captured from the RPM Sub Team for URS Practitioners meeting today (21 February 2018). The notes from the call are posted to the Sub Team wiki space,
together with the call recording, transcript and Adobe Connect chat and attendance records.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Note also that the next call will be on <b>Friday, 28 February at 1800 UTC.</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Julie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Julie Hedlund, Policy Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b>Action Items:</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">1. Staff will prepare a Google spreadsheet of the list of practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">2. Staff will prepare a Google doc with the questions and arrange them in buckets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b>Notes:</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">1. Overview of scope of work and selection of Sub Team chair(s) (if desired): Jason Schaeffer volunteered to Chair.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Scope of Work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Look to the expertise of this group on identifying practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Brainstorm on scope and nature of concerns to help drive the questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">2. Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">a) Identify a list of experienced URS practitioners:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Looking to identify a set of experienced URS practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Wondering if we should include on the agenda how we do the outreach to these practitioners? What do we ask them?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Start filling in a spreadsheet of practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Start with who we know now and add to it, from URS cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Think it is important to think on the practitioner side -- there are a lot of people who practice in this space, but others who have decided not to do URS, but use UDRP instead. Get insight
from people who practice in online enforcement and find out why they don't use the URS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">List of Practitioners: David Taylor, John Berryhill, Richard Biagi... URS attorneys, yoyo.email of Dunstable, International, GB.; Doug Eisenberg, David Bernstein, Flip Petillon, Zak Muscovitch,
CSC Digital Brand Services of Wilmington, DE (representative to TM owners), Mark Monitor, Stobbs Julius E Stobbs of Cambridge (does a lot of the Virgin work), David E. Weslow of Washington, DC, China Trademark Association to help identify practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">b) Develop a list of questions directed at these practitioners:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Organization: Seems that we will have procedural issues, substantive issues and practical issues (filing mechanics, word limitations, etc>) Should we break up our work into different buckets?
The third bucket could be tactics and approaches or something similar, to cover questions to both URS and non-URS practitioners, eg those that chose alternate methods — UDRP, litigation, etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Do they use TMCH or a printout from active web sites. Why they use one for evidence of use over the other one, for establishing the claim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- .SMD file -- is it a good basis for proof of use of the mark? If not, what would they recommend?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Threshold question: whether or not a practitioner is choosing to use the URS and if not why are they bypassing the URS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- If they are bringing a claim are they happy with the process? Is the process clear? Any procedural problems?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Notice: Are practitioners finding that the notice is getting through to the registrant and which one is getting through? Hard copy, email, etc.?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- How do the practitioners feel about the ability to refile after 6 months, appeal process? The extended mechanisms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Questions on the burden of proof and the remedies available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- The appeal process -- what do they think about it? Its use by domain name holders? What can we do to make it better? May be very few cases that have appealed, is it being used?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Fees: Ask about whether the fee is too high or too low? Whether or not the fee structure works for the URS and does it factor into a brand protector whether or not to file.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Response fee for multiple filing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- What do they think about the suspension for the duration of the registration? Whether to have an extended time of the suspension. The suspension may also apply to the decision whether or
not to use the URS as a protection mechanism.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- The way that the brand owner and practitioners -- how do they know about the URS?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- How do registrants know about the responses to the URS and the affirmative defenses? Question about URS awareness generally and how it is disseminated to brand owners and others, and the
effectiveness of that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- How do the practitioners feel about the expertise of the examiners and the fairness of the decisions. Whether or not the practitioners are satisfied with the examiners and the fairness of
their decisions. Also gets to the issue of training of examiners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Whether or not there should be something analogous for the URS that gives more certainty to the structure. Should we have a analogous WIPO's reviews.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Apart from looking at remedies and effectiveness -- look at the burden of proof, is it clear, does it need to be modified? Bad faith, and/or discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Should there be more guidance regarding what meets the "clear and convincing" standard? This might get into training for providers, for the larger group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Other thought regards WHOIS issues (inaccuracy of such) and how that impacts -- particularly with the GPDR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Next steps: Staff to produce Google docs and circulate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-- Next meeting: 28 February at 1800 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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