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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">I think it's important for people to be able to distinguish the source of authority for different mechanisms--at a minimum, it lets them know to whom feedback should be directed
and where responsibility lies. What about reformulating to ask whether different users of the system, including applicants and trademark claimants, can understand the source of the different mechanisms and whether they can easily identify the entities to
whom feedback about the mechanisms should be directed? This goes beyond whether they can appeal any particular decision, to the structure of the various systems.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 04, 2017 10:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kathy Kleiman; Brian F. Cimbolic; gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-protection] FOR REVIEW: Updated questions (re: Action Items from the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Call - 28 July 2017)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:windowtext">I think the other point was that once you tried to rewrite the question to take away the inherent bias Brian pointed out, the question was essentially a repeat of
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:windowtext">That is why I favored deletion as well. If I recall correctly, the decision to delete that question was unanimous on the call last week. I know you were not able to be on,
and therefore it is completely appropriate for you to raise on email. But can you help us understand why you feel the question should be included and what information we hope to collect under this question that we wouldn’t otherwise collect with the other
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:windowtext"> gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 4, 2017 10:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian F. Cimbolic <BCimbolic@pir.org>; gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-protection] FOR REVIEW: Updated questions (re: Action Items from the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Call - 28 July 2017)</span></p>
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<p>Hi Brian, Tx for your response. Many subteams have started with questions that were deemed to be one-sided. Underlying this question, at least according to several people last week, was a genuine issue of transparency.</p>
<p>Of course, please feel free to rewrite. That is indeed the purpose of the subteam!</p>
<p>Best, Kathy</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/4/2017 9:37 AM, Brian F. Cimbolic wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:windowtext">Hi Kathy – I favor deletion of question 2. Honestly, it struck me more as an effort in persuasive writing than a genuine pursuit of further information. It read:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; background:lightgrey">“How can TMCH services
<b><u>be much more transparent</u></b> in terms of what is offered pursuant to ICANN contracts and policies and what services Deloitte and IBM provide to registries via private contract? Correspondingly, how can the Working Group and the public better understand
what services Deloitte and IBM are offering to registries via private contract, e.g., private protections using the Trademark Clearinghouse database and special webinars about these private services? What changes
<b><u>might provide a clearer line</u></b></span><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">?”</span></u></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(Emphasis supplied). The conclusion is clearly baked into the question here – that these mechanisms are not transparent and changes are needed to prPlovide a clearer line. I don’t think that has been established
as a consensus position – certainly not of the subgroup, at least. The bias written into the question, to me, makes it inappropriate to include.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks,</span></p>
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<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 04, 2017 9:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-protection] FOR REVIEW: Updated questions (re: Action Items from the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Call - 28 July 2017)</span></p>
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<p>Deletion of Question 2?</p>
<p>As raised in the Subteam group last week, I still do not understand why question 2 has been deleted. Question 1 seems to be asking what services are being offered (a quantitative question). Question 2 (former Question 2) seems to be asking whether the public
is in a position to understand the difference between services offered pursuant to ICANN Contract and pursuant to private offerings (a qualitative and transparency question).
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<p>While I think the placement of the question is probably incorrect - it can certainly be moved later - the underlying issues of transparency, understandability and separation of additional marketplace services -- and the communication means by which they
are shared with the public -- seems very valid. I note that others, from other SGs, agreed in the call last week.
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<p>May I suggest that former #2 be moved to the end of the current questions to see whether, by the time we reach the end, the issue of what the Public knows about Additional Marketplace RPMs has been addressed. If not, this question, in some form, should remain
in.</p>
<p>Best regards, Kathy</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7/31/2017 5:10 PM, Mary Wong wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear all,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find attached: </span>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">An updated document of the Sub Team’s questions, where the previous Question 2 has been deleted and the previous Question 3 (renumbered as Question 2 accordingly) has been re-worded
by staff based on our understanding of the Sub Team’s discussions from the 28 July call.</span></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The email sent by staff to the full Working Group containing the relevant documents that describe the functional scope and technical requirements of the TMCH, and outlining the mechanism
of SMD files. As noted in the Sub Team Action Items below, staff will also try to both confirm the level of interest amongst Working Group members, and availability of our operational colleagues, for a tutorial on the TMCH workings and scope.</span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please let us know if you have any comments or suggestions on the documents.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks and cheers</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mary </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf of Amr Elsadr
<a href="mailto:amr.elsadr@icann.org" target="_blank"><amr.elsadr@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, July 28, 2017 at 18:15<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org" target="_blank">"gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org" target="_blank"><gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Gnso-rpm-protection] Action Items from the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Call - 28 July 2017</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Sub Team Members,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please find the action items from today’s Sub Team call below. The action items, notes, meeting documents and recordings have been posted to the meeting’s wiki page here:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_agIhB&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=jrfytIimH-5nBVeOUvmUJ2pdqJmyM0Md6Q-usZ7OCxw&s=cDXA5FEyeUJ6iQewy6Uhro5lILEvZOR5M8L1wREfCo4&e=" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/x/agIhB[community.icann.org]</a>. The transcripts of today’s call will be posted on the same page, when available.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.</p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in">Staff to delete question 2 from the reverse-redline document</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in">Staff to redraft question 3 based on proposed text by Jeff Neuman, and edited by Paul McGrady, making specific reference to the additional marketplace RPMs, and link to existing information as proposed by Kristine
Dorrain</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in">Staff to recirculate email with information on functional/technical aspects of the TMCH, including the use of SMD files, and confirm interest from Working Group members in having a tutorial conducted for these topics
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