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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Would like to note that transcripts, as well as recordings and copies of the AC room chat are available for each Sub Team call. The transcripts for the 28 July call have been posted on the wiki page for that
meeting here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/agIhB">https://community.icann.org/x/agIhB</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Amr<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Susan Payne <susan.payne@valideus.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, August 4, 2017 at 5:19 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>, Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com>, "Brian F. Cimbolic" <BCimbolic@pir.org>, "gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org" <gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-rpm-protection] FOR REVIEW: Updated questions (re: Action Items from the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Call - 28 July 2017)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">When I proposed deleting this question on
<b>5 June </b>(ie 2 months ago), I set out my reasoning as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoCommentText">I believe this question 2 should be deleted for the following reasons:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoCommentText">The language of sentence one is loaded, in that it assumes that there is an unacceptable lack of transparency that needs to be addressed. The language of this first sentence was in the original form of the TMCH charter questions
and the subgroup dealing with these questions revised it for neutrality. I believe that this revision exercise led to the language used at Q 1 above.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoCommentText">The second sentence appears to be new, but again somewhat lacks neutrality, implying a lack of necessary information.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoCommentText">It would be possible to redraft this Q2 to make it neutral, but in doing so I believe it would essentially duplicate what is being asked in Q1, namely what information is available and where is it?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Granted, it’s not terribly detailed, but I think it’s pretty clear, and we then discussed this first on the call on 21 July and again on the call last week. I don’t think you had joined us for
this part of the discussion on 28 July you were on the 21 July call Kathy. I believe there was a suggestion on the 21 July call that if you wanted to propose a redraft for neutrality we would look at it on the list and on the 28 July call (although since
we don’t have transcripts I cannot check my recollection without listening back to the audio and I’m afraid I don’t have time to do that). If you would still like to propose a redraft I imagine we’d be open to considering it when available, but I’m extremely
reluctant to spend any more time discussing the reasoning for the deletion again on today’s call. We must be able to make decisions and move on or we will never get through the questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"> gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Neuman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 04 August 2017 15:18<br>
<b>To:</b> Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com>; Brian F. Cimbolic <BCimbolic@pir.org>; gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-protection] FOR REVIEW: Updated questions (re: Action Items from the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Call - 28 July 2017)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">I think the other point was that once you tried to rewrite the question to take away the inherent bias Brian pointed out, the question was essentially a repeat of
other questions already being asked.</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">That is why I favored deletion as well. If I recall correctly, the decision to delete that question was unanimous on the call last week. I know you were not able to be on, and therefore
it is completely appropriate for you to raise on email. But can you help us understand why you feel the question should be included and what information we hope to collect under this question that we wouldn’t otherwise collect with the other questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 4, 2017 10:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian F. Cimbolic <<a href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org">gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-protection] FOR REVIEW: Updated questions (re: Action Items from the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Call - 28 July 2017)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Brian, Tx for your response. Many subteams have started with questions that were deemed to be one-sided. Underlying this question, at least according to several people last week, was a genuine issue of transparency.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Of course, please feel free to rewrite. That is indeed the purpose of the subteam!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/4/2017 9:37 AM, Brian F. Cimbolic wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">Hi Kathy – I favor deletion of question 2. Honestly, it struck me more as an effort in persuasive writing than a genuine pursuit of further information. It read:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;background:lightgrey;mso-highlight:lightgrey">“How can TMCH services
<b><u>be much more transparent</u></b> in terms of what is offered pursuant to ICANN contracts and policies and what services Deloitte and IBM provide to registries via private contract? Correspondingly, how can the Working Group and the public better understand
what services Deloitte and IBM are offering to registries via private contract, e.g., private protections using the Trademark Clearinghouse database and special webinars about these private services? What changes
<b><u>might provide a clearer line</u></b></span><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">?”</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(Emphasis supplied). The conclusion is clearly baked into the question here – that these mechanisms are not transparent and changes are needed to prPlovide a clearer line. I don’t think that has been established
as a consensus position – certainly not of the subgroup, at least. The bias written into the question, to me, makes it inappropriate to include.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 04, 2017 9:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org">gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-protection] FOR REVIEW: Updated questions (re: Action Items from the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Call - 28 July 2017)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Deletion of Question 2?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>As raised in the Subteam group last week, I still do not understand why question 2 has been deleted. Question 1 seems to be asking what services are being offered (a quantitative question). Question 2 (former Question 2) seems to be asking whether the public
is in a position to understand the difference between services offered pursuant to ICANN Contract and pursuant to private offerings (a qualitative and transparency question).
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<p>While I think the placement of the question is probably incorrect - it can certainly be moved later - the underlying issues of transparency, understandability and separation of additional marketplace services -- and the communication means by which they
are shared with the public -- seems very valid. I note that others, from other SGs, agreed in the call last week.
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<p>May I suggest that former #2 be moved to the end of the current questions to see whether, by the time we reach the end, the issue of what the Public knows about Additional Marketplace RPMs has been addressed. If not, this question, in some form, should remain
in.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best regards, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7/31/2017 5:10 PM, Mary Wong wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find attached: </span>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">An updated document of the Sub Team’s questions, where the previous Question 2 has been deleted and the previous Question 3 (renumbered as Question 2 accordingly)
has been re-worded by staff based on our understanding of the Sub Team’s discussions from the 28 July call.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The email sent by staff to the full Working Group containing the relevant documents that describe the functional scope and technical requirements of the TMCH,
and outlining the mechanism of SMD files. As noted in the Sub Team Action Items below, staff will also try to both confirm the level of interest amongst Working Group members, and availability of our operational colleagues, for a tutorial on the TMCH workings
and scope.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please let us know if you have any comments or suggestions on the documents.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks and cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mary </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf of Amr Elsadr
<a href="mailto:amr.elsadr@icann.org"><amr.elsadr@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, July 28, 2017 at 18:15<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org">"gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Gnso-rpm-protection] Action Items from the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Call - 28 July 2017<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Sub Team Members,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please find the action items from today’s Sub Team call below. The action items, notes, meeting documents and recordings have been posted to the meeting’s wiki page here:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_agIhB&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=jrfytIimH-5nBVeOUvmUJ2pdqJmyM0Md6Q-usZ7OCxw&s=cDXA5FEyeUJ6iQewy6Uhro5lILEvZOR5M8L1wREfCo4&e=">
https://community.icann.org/x/agIhB[community.icann.org]</a>. The transcripts of today’s call will be posted on the same page, when available.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Amr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">Staff to delete question 2 from the reverse-redline document<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">Staff to redraft question 3 based on proposed text by Jeff Neuman, and edited by Paul McGrady, making specific reference to the additional marketplace RPMs, and link to existing information
as proposed by Kristine Dorrain<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">Staff to recirculate email with information on functional/technical aspects of the TMCH, including the use of SMD files, and confirm interest from Working Group members in having a tutorial
conducted for these topics within the next few weeks<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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