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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Michael and everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Although the overall discussion may have moved on, staff thought we should point out that Brian’s suggestion actually followed from a discussion he and Michael (and perhaps others) had engaged in on the full WG mailing list, most recently
on 26 April. Brian’s question to staff this morning was to ask if and how the Sub Team had considered his previous mailing list suggestion, offering the language that Ariel then emailed the Sub Team with.
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<p class="MsoNormal">We hope this clarifies the timing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mary & Ariel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-rpm-providers <gnso-rpm-providers-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 4, 2018 at 15:51<br>
<b>To: </b>"Corwin, Philip" <pcorwin@verisign.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rpm-providers@icann.org" <gnso-rpm-providers@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-rpm-providers] Examiner Q14 - Revised Wording Proposed by Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Brian is positing a very different question than I had asked, and I don't think the two can be effectively merged. That said, I think Brian's question is relevant, and I think a better compromise
would be to include it alongside the one that we previously agreed to, as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Q14: What steps, if any, do you take to ensure that your Examiners have demonstrable relevant legal background?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Q15: What steps, if any, do you take to ensure that your Examiners have a diversity of relevant experience (e.g., have
experience representing Respondents as well as Complainants)? If so, please explain.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Let me add that I'm quite surprised that this debate has been reopened at the request of a single member (who's not a co-chair yet...). What's the point in having any discussion at all on the
lists or in the calls if anyone can just stroll in and completely upend the agreed language on a Friday afternoon, when half the world has already logged off? We spent a lot of time on this question already - let's not throw all that out the window, please.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Corwin, Philip via Gnso-rpm-providers <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-providers@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rpm-providers@icann.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><a name="m_1119588473571778631__MailEndCompose">In regard to this very late suggestion for a change in the question’s wording, can we
resolve it with this proposed wording?:</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">“What steps, if any, do you take to ensure that your Examiners have demonstrable relevant legal background (which includes their having
a diversity of relevant experience, such as representing </span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN">Respondents as well as Complainants
</span>in domain name cases)?” <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">In the spirit of compromise, that retains Brian’s desire to tie the question to the specific wording of the URS Rules while also retaining
Michael’s explicit designation of the two parties in domain name cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Philip S. Corwin</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b>From:</b> Gnso-rpm-providers [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-providers-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rpm-providers-bounces@icann.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ariel Liang<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 04, 2018 2:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-providers@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rpm-providers@icann.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [Gnso-rpm-providers] Examiner Q14 - Revised Wording Proposed by Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Dear All,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Apologies for the very short notice and for revisiting the Examiner Q14 – we understand that the Sub Team has reached agreement on the
wording of this question, which states: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN">“What steps, if any, do you take to ensure that your Examiners have a diversity of relevant experience (e.g., have experience representing Respondents as well as Complainants)? If so, please explain.</span>”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Brian Beckham just messaged staff and suggested revising the question to:
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">“What steps, if any, do you take to ensure that your Examiners have demonstrable relevant legal background (which may include their having a diversity of relevant experience representing parties in domain name cases)?”
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">His concern for the current wording is that the URS Rules require “demonstrable relevant legal background, such as in trademark law”,
which may mean some Examiners are very experienced practitioners, but do not <b>
<u>represent</u></b> parties in URS cases. Brian suggested that the revised question would tie to the rules, but also keep the notion of diversity in the explanation, while broadening it to “parties in” domain name cases (for which representing complainants
and respondents would each/together be a subset).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Since the questions to Providers are scheduled to be sent later today, please be so kind to provide your input/feedback and voice support/objection
on the revised wording proposed by Brian by <b><u>COB today</u></b> (Friday, 4 May). Many apologies for this short notice, especially to the Sub Team members who are based in Europe/Asia and may not be able to respond to this very last-minute inquiry.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Thank you,
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