[Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Gnso-rpm-trademark] RPM sub team homework assignments need to be "bite-sized"

Wed Jan 30 14:08:35 UTC 2019

Hi folks,

I took a few minutes this morning to analyze the two sub teams, and
here's what I found:

TM Claims: 18 members + 3 co-chairs = 21 individuals (source:
https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/Members+and+email+archives+-+RPM+WG+Sub+Team+for+Trademark+Claims+Data+Review
)

Sunrise: 17 members + 3 co-chairs = 20 individuals (source:
https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/Members%2C+email+archives+-+RPM+WG+Sub+Team+Sunrise+Data+Review
)

People in both sub-teams: 12

Claudio DiGangi
George Kirikos
Greg Shatan
Griffin Barnett
Kristine Dorrain
Paul McGrady
Scott Austin
Susan Payne
Zak Muscovitch
Brian Beckham (co-chair)
Kathy Kleiman (co-chair)
Phil Corwin (co-chair)

Prior "homework assignments" (excluding today's): names of *anyone*
filling out Google docs (binary metric, regardless of *quantity* of
input into those docs):

TM Claims: 5 docs (each linked to via
https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-trademark/2019-January/000161.html)

George Kirikos
Kristine Dorrain
Griffin Barnett
Rebecca Tushnet
Kathy Kleiman
Maxim Alzoba*** (not actually a member of TM Claims sub team!)

Sunrise: 14 docs (linked to via
https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-sunrise/2019-January/000158.html)

George Kirikos
Kristine Dorrain
Griffin Barnett
Maxim Alzoba
Kathy Kleiman
Susan Payne
Scott Austin
John McElwaine
Michael Karanicolas

Note: I'm not trying to criticize anyone who's not on the above lists,
nor aggrandize anyone on it. Folks are participating in different
ways. But, as we'll see on today's calls, if those Google Docs are
empty, then we're not making much progress. As Griffin rightly said,
it can lead to paralysis if the assigned tasks are unreasonably time
consuming relative to expectations.

Looking at it from 40,000 feet, I think a fair question is: How much
"assigned homework" (between calls) is reasonable for sub team
members? There's also obviously 1 hour for the call itself, and maybe
30 minutes to an hour of prep immediately before each call (to review
the input into the Google docs by others). I've already given my own
thoughts on this previously (as has Kristine), but hope to understand
how others feel. Simply showing up for the calls isn't going to be
enough to get through all the work.

I look forward to today's calls.

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
416-588-0269
http://www.leap.com/

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 5:37 PM Dorrain, Kristine <dorraink at amazon.com> wrote:
>
> +1 to George and Griffin.
>
> I also support more manageable assignments.  Staff has done an extraordinary amount of work in reviewing the additional material and providing an initial summary and may be in a good position to suggest how long each review took them (so we can know this ahead of time). I'm personally willing to commit 1-2 hours of homework time per subteam call, but more than that isn't feasible.
>
> As a starting point, so I'm not just casting stones, in preparation for this week's call, might I suggest we all focus on a deep dive on the first two or three sources (since George said it took four hours to review the first four sources) and then look for information for ALL of the charter questions (if you're on both sub teams, you would cross reference the sources against both tabs in the spreadsheet).  That will hopefully be a more manageable start.
>
> Best,
>
> Kristine
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gnso-rpm-trademark [mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Griffin Barnett
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 2:09 PM
> To: George Kirikos <icann at leap.com>; gnso-rpm-sunrise at icann.org; gnso-rpm-trademark at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-trademark] RPM sub team homework assignments need to be "bite-sized"
>
> I would support George's suggestion of breaking up current HW assignments into smaller, more manageable bits. I know we are attempting to keep to an aggressive work plan timeline, but overwhelming members with HW to the point where we cannot possibly complete it all in a timely manner results in paralysis (even among the most active of us) that is counterproductive.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Griffin
>
>
>
> Griffin M. Barnett
> Associate
> Winterfeldt IP Group
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gnso-rpm-trademark [mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of George Kirikos
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 5:01 PM
> To: gnso-rpm-sunrise at icann.org; gnso-rpm-trademark at icann.org
> Subject: [Gnso-rpm-trademark] RPM sub team homework assignments need to be "bite-sized"
>
> (cross-posting to both sub team lists)
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I spent about 4 hours today attempting the sub team homework assignments for this week (tomorrow), and have only gone through the first four (of the twelve) source documents, to try to cross-reference relevant data against the charter questions. I spoke with a couple of other very active sub team members who are also concerned about the workload for this week.
>
> Perhaps different members have different expectations on the amount of outside time expected to be devoted between calls, but for myself, 4 hours is already pushing things (it typically took me around that much time for the past homework assignments too).
>
> I think we need to discuss breaking the tasks down into more bite-sized pieces, as there was just too much to review for this week.
> I know staff has already attempted to pick out relevant data for each charter question, but it wouldn't be a "review" if we as sub team members didn't read the source documents ourselves independently, and simply relied on what staff provided.
>
> Also, it might have been easier to do the review if staff input was in the (currently) blank Google docs, rather than in the spreadsheet tabs, as even on a 27" monitor, it was difficult to compare their input with my own as I was reading the various source documents, and tried to switch multiple tabs/documents.
>
> If others share these concerns, please do take a moment to comment or provide suggestions on ideal expected duration of assignments (in hours), technical impediments, etc.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George Kirikos
> 416-588-0269
> http://www.leap.com/
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