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for Sunrise Registrations on Friday, 19 May 2017 at 14:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: <o:p></o:p></span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/DxHfAw" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">https://community.icann.org/x/DxHfAw</a></p>
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<b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for 19 May 2017:</span></u></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations call on Friday, 19 May 2017 at 14:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting agenda page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_DxHfAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=P9TNHIb0rMuSdEgjNZ_lf4TecWwlZ_HrCwaI5YBrnr8&s=buoCo3_Tyce1ZUPfyFnT46N3sVV36FOvVRMDSxMsRUQ&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_DxHfAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=P9TNHIb0rMuSdEgjNZ_lf4TecWwlZ_HrCwaI5YBrnr8&s=buoCo3_Tyce1ZUPfyFnT46N3sVV36FOvVRMDSxMsRUQ&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Thanks for uploading the Google Doc - I had just PFD'd it!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:But like you said, it doesn't include Maxim's comments.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All, </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Matt Mlsna:Hello</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):As I understand it is possible to print comments usign </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Thanks Mary</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Sounds good</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Matt Mlsna:Agreed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Maxim: If I'm not mistaken, the only possible action on comments is to resolve them, which would remove them entirely. In the future, we could paste them into the comments/discussion column?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Matt Mlsna:thanks :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Hello. I have to leave early (at half past) as well</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):please pring Google doc to PDF again an upload to Adobe</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*and</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I included comments into the last column</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Am doing that now, Maxim. See your comments in the columns.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):unortunately, last call was done during the flight time from the GDD summit for many Registries.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Action items, notes, recordings, transcripts, etc... from last week's call can be found here: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_Ow3fAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=P9TNHIb0rMuSdEgjNZ_lf4TecWwlZ_HrCwaI5YBrnr8&s=tit7d7Lvpa0V0KWqqhX_acgtfyZCt3ab5GkRj_-yqng&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_Ow3fAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=P9TNHIb0rMuSdEgjNZ_lf4TecWwlZ_HrCwaI5YBrnr8&s=tit7d7Lvpa0V0KWqqhX_acgtfyZCt3ab5GkRj_-yqng&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:+1 Kristine, fine to leave this question in, and a-is</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:*as-is</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Q1: as is</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Matt Mlsna:Agree leave as-is</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I have a notice: Do we know if ICANN is have right to regulate prices?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*have the right</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:I'm personally comfortable with the reformulated Q2</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I suggest we request the answer from ICANN Legal.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:I understood the question as Kristine does. I don't believe the intent was to recommend any pricing regulation via consensus policies.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Agree again with Kristine on this</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if ICANN does not have right to regulate prices, then any kind of policy related to price regulation can not be implemented.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:I think ICANN could regulate prices if policy recommendations demanded it - would require a change to the base RA presumably</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think we need to report to our whole RPM PDP WG that we might need the answer to this question (we can not request as a subgroup)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Doesn't ICANN regulate prices in legacy TLDs?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):only increase of prices</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and old contracts are irrelevent to new RAs</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:Hi All!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*irrelevant</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:Was a question dropped?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):due to registries , as independant legal bodies are not responcible for actions of other non-affiliated legal bodies.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*independent</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):we might need to reword question Q2 (to show that was it a pricing or any other reason which prevented you from Sunrise registration?)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and we need to add " any additional reasons: please write more about it"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Or perhaps we add a sub-question saying "Were there other registry practices other than pricing that chilled brand owner participation in Sunrise?" or something along those lines</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Griffin, we need to add open field , "or was it something else"? I do not think that everithyng was only due to registries policies. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*happend this way</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Point taken</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:I'm at Starbucks too. :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):additional note about challenging "premium" status - it is written in RA that names reserved according to ICANNs inclusions to contracts (like ICANN reserved lists ) and everything else it
solely up to a registry.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):me too</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Very hard to understand Kathy...just me?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Matt Mlsna:cutting out for me as well</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the sound is better now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Kathy - what is the issue with the order?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Matt Mlsna:I have to drop now, but would support Griffin's proposed wording for a fourth bullet point on Question 2</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:i have to drop</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: Could you provide a suggested question to be added to cover the concerns you are raising?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Correct.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:I believe this is the 4th version.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Amr....to be clear, the left column is directly from the charter, no changes?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Kristine: Yes. The last table was a comparison between the last version and the updated one. Staff were then asked to revise the table to include the original Charter questions, and match them against
the most recent refinements/batching.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Great, thanks. I thought so!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:I'm not sure "chiling effect" is the right terminology....the question is really getting at whether reserving names that match TMCH-recorded marks circumvents Sunrise when the reserved name is later
released after Sunrise</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we have supporting information to these allegations?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Exactly right Kristine</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:and also risking losing them to a third party when they should have had the opportunity to register them during Sunrise</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):are we still on Q2 or on Q3?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:new Q3</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Maxim, that's a fair enough point, but we might be getting ahead of ourselves. Seems like you are starting to respond to the Q, while we are still working to finalize the Q wording.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it is not APLs it is the single ALP .MADRID</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Agree with Maxim about the fact that putting some brands on a reserved list for registry operator reasons/plans is not always bad. I think a good WG discussion will include
this.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Agree with Mary...it's about the effect.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):all other GEOs decided to to risk </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ith ALPs</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):police is a real example </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Griffin used a good word: circumvent.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:.MADRID reserving POLICE for the actual police is not circumventing in my world.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and according to local law they have this name </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it is not about premium - it is about reserved</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:No one is disagreeing that there may not be legitimate reasons for reserving certain names such that they are unavailable during Sunrise, but that's a discussion we can have at the appropriate time. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Sorry that was a lot of double negatives</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1 Griffin</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):since reserved names + release+ QLPs are quite tied, these needs to be discussed together, to avoid destruction of current GEO model.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Agree Maxim, that is one consideration. But the majority of TLDs are NOT Geos</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Agree it may make sense to bundle any questions relating to reserved names, premium names, pricing, and ALP/QLP together, as they are inter-related</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:So we need examples from both Geos and Non-Geos</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Agree Kristine. And we might ultimately decide to carve out Geos from any recommendations, or otherwise make recommendations that treat Geos differently than other TLD types</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:But again, getting ahead of ourselves</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):GEOs represent quite big number of real people</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Completely agree...we just need to remember that there are a lot of models</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I don't think brand owners think all the models are problematic.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ROs are prohibited from TMCH access</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Ok agian, that's a fine point, but that's getting into substantive responses to the Question. Can we try and stay focused on agreeing to the wording of the Question itself?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty:Back to the "chilling effect" of questions 2 and 3. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Question 4 is a solution - if Question 3 is a problem.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty:I think this will introduce a range of questions, definitional issues, etc.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty:any objection to rewording??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I like Q6 moved to the top of the list.... at this point.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Q5 is also a solution to Q3, if there is indeed a problem</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I still do not understand how ROs will access TMCH with current prohibition of access to it </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:It's a good point Kristine - reworded Q6 seems like it should be Q1 doesn't it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Maxim, the group may decide to make the TMCH public stilll.... if not, then the WG will need to say "sorry, no can do."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):agree</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Don't ROs have access, just limited to the specific purposes of facilitating TM Claims and SUnrise? Might need to go back and review the RA/TMCH T&C</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):then we need to add a note that since Registries do not have access to TMCH - then it is not simple</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):RO's are prohibited from access ... we had issues with simple "ping" of TMCH (to understand if it works or not at all)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Maxim, it's our job as ROs to remind the group of that when we get there.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ok</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):but adding notice will not allow us to forget about it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: That corresponds to the original Charter question 13 in the column on the far left.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Kathy, the point was to make the reworded questions more general...too specific points to suggesting the solution</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty:Can you circulate the current version and the last version? Mary and Amr?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty:That will be helpful, tx.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty:To the Notes, please add concern about phrasing, wording, need for balance, and consideration of TM owners, registries and registrants in the questions.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Griffin Barnett:Thank you Mary, all....bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:great job pinch-hitting, Mary!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.</div>
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