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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Michael,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I would personally prefer not to get into a Google search race for some kind of “exceptions to prove the rule” and also because
<a href="https://trademark.eu/list-of-classes-with-explanatory-notes/">“tattoos” is not a class of marks</a>, but these articles could be of interest in terms of explaining why they may seek such a defensive sunrise registration:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://www.pinterest.ch/steelephotograp/mini-cooper-tattoos/">https://www.pinterest.ch/steelephotograp/mini-cooper-tattoos/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://metro.co.uk/2011/01/25/andreas-muller-has-mini-tattooed-on-penis-to-win-car-632961/">https://metro.co.uk/2011/01/25/andreas-muller-has-mini-tattooed-on-penis-to-win-car-632961/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Also, while MINI may not make motorcycles, their sister company BMW does, so they could well branch out into that product area (including related services).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I have already suggested improvements to the SDRP on several occasions, going back almost 2 years now (those were apparently parked in preference of various data seeking exercises),
so would respectfully suggest that others take the baton from here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As I said, I believe there is a genuine willingness to explore such solutions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">At the same time, it seems unlikely that the current proposal No. 13 is likely to garner consensus, and will defer to the Sub Team Co-Chairs to address that at the level of our
present discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas@gmail.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BECKHAM, Brian <brian.beckham@wipo.int><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org>; gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting, thanks for sharing. I checked whether Mini made motorcycles before I sent my proposal in... I didn't think to check whether they made regular bicycles!<br>
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By any chance, were you able to find any examples of the company branching into the tattoo business as well (<a href="http://mini.tattoo">http://mini.tattoo</a>)?<br>
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I'm not sure if this presents a "nuance" in trademark classes. I don't think it's much of a revelation that "bikes" can refer to motorcycles or regular bicycles. All this represents is a product line I was unaware of. And under my proposal, all Mini would have
to do would be to include the link you provided when they register the domain under sunrise, and that should be that.<br>
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Personally, I don't see how the SDRP challenge process could be retooled to turn it into something that adequately represents the interests of potential future registrants without injecting massive amounts of transparency into the sunrise and TMCH processes...
but I would be interested to hear your thoughts as to how this might work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:38 PM BECKHAM, Brian <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks Ariel,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Copying here, my full email to the Sunrise List from earlier today as it relates to proposal No. 13:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks Julie,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just for fun (as I am aware the example was merely anecdotal), further to our hypothesizing last night, indeed, MINI
does have a range of folding bikes: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/28/new-mini-folding-bike/" target="_blank">https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/28/new-mini-folding-bike/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This does however illustrate in some ways the nuance in trademark classes and TLD typology that may escape proposal
No. 13 in its current form.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As I mentioned on our call, I believe there is a shared willingness to address the issue Michael has raised, but via
the SDRP challenge process, and not via claims exclusions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Gnso-rpm-sunrise <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ariel Liang<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Dear Sunrise Sub Team members,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">As announced, this thread is being opened for final mailing list discussions related to
<b>Sunrise Agreed Charter Question</b></span><b> 9</b>, including <b>Proposal #13</b><span style="color:black">.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">We ask that you review the <b>Summary Table</b> <b>(as of 16 April 2019) </b>and provide any additional input you may have to the “<b>proposed
answers & preliminary recommendations</b>” in relation to the Agreed Charter Question, and consider <b>draft answers </b>to the following questions regarding the individual proposal:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">a. Should the Sub Team recommend that the full WG consider including this Individual Proposal in the Initial Report for the solicitation of public comment?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">b. In light of the Individual Proposal, are any modifications to the current “tentative answers & preliminary recommendations” needed?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">c. Should any additional Sub Team recommendations be made in relation to the agreed Sunrise charter question?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Unless the Sub Team Co-Chairs determine otherwise, this discussion thread will remain open until
<b>23:59 UTC on </b></span><b>22 <span style="color:black">May 2019</span></b><span style="color:black">. Comments/input provided past the closing date or outside this discussion thread will not be taken into account when compiling the final Sub Team member
input.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="background:yellow">Summary Table</span> (Pages 36-40)</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">The draft answers, preliminary recommendations, and links to the relevant individual proposals are in the latest Summary Table (as of 16 April 2019):</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155CC">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2</span></a><span style="color:black">.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;background:yellow">Agreed Sunrise Charter Question
</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;background:yellow">9</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> (Page</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> 36)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">The Sub Team</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> just<span style="color:black"> discussed Agreed Charter Question
</span>9<span style="color:black"> on </span>08 May <span style="color:black">2019, hence the proposed answers are “TBD”. Based on the Sub Team’s discussions, the transcript and notes, staff will provide</span> update<span style="color:black">.
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Q</span></i><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">9 In light of the evidence gathered above, should the scope of Sunrise Registrations be limited to the categories of goods and services for which?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Proposed Answer</span></u></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">:
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="color:black;background:yellow">Individual Proposal</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">The Sub Team just discussed the Proposal #</span>13 <span style="color:black">
on 0</span>8 <span style="color:black">May 2019, hence there is no draft answer currently on the Summary Table (as of 16 April 2019). Based on the Sub Team’s<span class="gmail-m2911496483692323131apple-converted-space"> </span>discussions, the transcript and
notes, staff will provide.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">Link to the individual proposal is included below.<span class="gmail-m2911496483692323131apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Proposal #</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">13</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%2313.pdf?api=v2" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%2313.pdf?api=v2</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;background:yellow">Where to Find All Discussion Threads</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">
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<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/_oIWBg" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/_oIWBg</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Best Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Mary, Julie, Ariel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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