<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>This has been an interesting conversation. I'm not sure if John's comment here was directed as a general response to Q9, or as a specific response to my proposal. I'm going to assume it's the former, since my proposal specifically <b>DOES NOT</b> apply to gTLDs like .CLUB or .XYX or .WEB which are not suggestive of a specific category of goods, but I thought I would reiterate the point, as I know there was some confusion expressed last week as well.</div><div><br></div><div>I must confess, I'm also still a bit confused by the claim that this would require brand owners to register a bunch of new marks... Unless I'm missing something, the marks registered in the TMCH are the only ones capable of being registered in sunrise. So if Tata registers "Tata Motors" but not "Tetley" - then "Tetley" wouldn't be available under sunrise anyway. So is the point that they would lose the ability to register something like TataMotors.Recipes? If so - I don't see this as a major problem - but merely limiting trademark protections to the category of goods or service which is being offered - as is done all over the world.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, I'll also note that the debate is being simultaneously pulled in two directions: on the one hand, Brian has noted that "the average number of sunrise registrations was very low", while Phil is claiming that the high level of automation and tight margins precludes any sort of human intervention. Which is it? Is the volume and pace of the sunrise system so high as to preclude even a quick smell test to ensure that the system isn't being gamed, or is the use of the system so low that we shouldn't even bother trying to fix the problems?</div><div><br></div><div>Honestly, I think that a lot of these interventions have vastly over-emphasized the complexity of the analysis, which can be made based on a quick, plain language determination. I'd be happy to apply a low bar, as I mentioned last week, such that if there's any kind of reasonable argument for inclusion, the registration would pass muster, since the intention here is really to weed out registrations that are clearly inappropriate.</div><div><br></div><div>Look forward to chatting further today.</div><div><br></div><div>Michael</div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 11:12 AM John McElwaine <<a href="mailto:john.mcelwaine@nelsonmullins.com" target="_blank">john.mcelwaine@nelsonmullins.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Just chiming in here: Q9 In light of the evidence gathered above, should the scope of Sunrise Registrations be limited to the categories of goods and services for which?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">As an initial mater, I do not believe that there was any evidence that Sunrise Registration should be limited to a particular category.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">With respect to the concept, in general, I do not believe that the concept of limiting Sunrise Registration to a category of goods and services is workable. What “categories” are we trying to correlate?
New gTLD are/were not required to list a category to which they apply, some had purposes that lend themselves to this analysis, such as .BANK, but what “category” would you attribute to .XYX, .GURU, .CLUB, .WEB.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Moreover, trademark owners did not register their trademarks in the TMCH with this concept in mind. Therefore, there could be huge gaps and this new concept could cost trademark owners thousands of dollars
to register all of there marks when only one would suffice in the past. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Lastly, an exact correlation between a trademark registration and a TLD is not always going to be clear. How will registrars make that determination?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> Gnso-rpm-sunrise <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 15, 2019 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Claudio, I think you have just brilliantly made the case for why Michael's proposal does not hurt trademark owners, but does harm the "gamers" who are using their trademark registrations for "the"
and other common, ordinary words to misuse the Sunrise Period.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Best, Kathy<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">On 5/9/2019 1:42 PM, claudio di gangi wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Agreeing with Brian, and just adding some further context below to the extent helpful.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I think the main issue with this discussion is that the use of a generic top-level domain is not limited to the semantic meaning or implication of the string (unless the Registry
decides to restrict its registration policy to a certain community, industry, geographic region, etc.).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">This is the primary reason why there is no constituted ‘expansion of trademark rights’ when the trademark owner registers a trademark-corresponding domain name in the gTLD, whether
during Sunrise or General Availability, because the use of the gTLD is not restricted to certain goods/services, and is open to various interpretations and forms of use.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The fact that the gTLD is open for any form of use that may be unrelated to the semantic meaning of the string is the main reason why it’s helpful for trademark owners to maintain
the option to apply for a registration during Sunrise, even when for the sake of argument, the gTLD does not appear directly correlated to the industry, product, class of goods, of the trademark owner.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">In other words, cybersquatters register third-party trademarks in those types of gTLDs for a several reasons, such as: (1) trademark owners have limited budgets and are usually
forced to protect their trademark in gTLDs where there is a direct or indirect connotation or semantic relationship between the gTLD and the organization’s brand (and/or several other factors which makes the gTLD a target for registration abuse); (2) this
leaves the remaining gTLDs more of an open target for cybersquatting the brand.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As a result, this type of approach to defensive registrations leaves cybersquatters with two main options: (1) register typographical variations of the trademark, or add additional
terms to the trademark, in gTLDs where there is a indirect or direct relationship between the semantic meaning of the gTLD and the trademark; 2) register the trademark (and permutations) as a domain name in a different gTLD where the trademark owner did not
register their trademark as a domain during Sunrise.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">So we see a combination of both of practices in new gTLDs, at either the same or a higher rate of cybersquatting compared to legacy domains. This makes Sunrise a needed option
for the purposes mitigating against registration abuse and to help protect consumers from the harms that follow from these illegal schemes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">With that said, of course this doesn’t mean that brand owners are going to utilize the Sunrise RPM across the board. In practice, because of limited budgets and the expense/costs
of the registrations, I believe the average number of Sunrise registrations in new gTLDs is between 100 and 200 registrations per registry. This leaves the vast majority of possible permutations of domains available for good faith registration by third parties
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">But in some cases, the brand owner will register in a specific new gTLD (where the semantic meaning doesn’t appear directly related at first glance), but the trademark owner
is aware of other factors or reasons - for example, the fame of the mark, or previous cases of registration abuse when they have been targeted in a certain manner - to justify the expense of registering the domain name defensively in that specific gTLD.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Yes, when you add up the totals for a specific company, it can come to a very large imposed expense, but since the defensive registrations are spread out across so many different
registries, in any particular gTLD you will only see a limited number of Sunrise registrations.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I hope the combination of these various factors makes the issue of lesser concern from your perspective . Also, importantly as Brian noted, there have been expressions of interest
within the Subteam to review the SDRP policy to see if we can make incremental improvements, while maintaining the balance of interests. I am happy to work with you and others on this effort going forward.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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On Thursday, May 9, 2019, BECKHAM, Brian <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int" target="_blank">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I would personally prefer not to get into a Google search race for some kind of “exceptions to prove the rule” and
also because <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trademark.eu_list-2Dof-2Dclasses-2Dwith-2Dexplanatory-2Dnotes_&d=DwMDaQ&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=gSuWWUEWDxSYsvZJni-czNV73i8NXazPZkmQIfpK7Cs&s=KPr_7LMdy70kOaMtQ_YUVbRRY5qtR-3iIMsmNW9sKuM&e=" target="_blank">
“tattoos” is not a class of marks</a>, but these articles could be of interest in terms of explaining why they may seek such a defensive sunrise registration:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.pinterest.ch_steelephotograp_mini-2Dcooper-2Dtattoos_&d=DwMDaQ&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=gSuWWUEWDxSYsvZJni-czNV73i8NXazPZkmQIfpK7Cs&s=uHebujKmbqlS2uqItLfzU3TNimQ7pyuBwUH5oc2Ozx0&e=" target="_blank">https://www.pinterest.ch/steelephotograp/mini-cooper-tattoos/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__metro.co.uk_2011_01_25_andreas-2Dmuller-2Dhas-2Dmini-2Dtattooed-2Don-2Dpenis-2Dto-2Dwin-2Dcar-2D632961_&d=DwMDaQ&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=gSuWWUEWDxSYsvZJni-czNV73i8NXazPZkmQIfpK7Cs&s=pbpsDzKQbCJVjxKhFg4pB0Ff7MjZmUC8i8gybNNbC7c&e=" target="_blank">https://metro.co.uk/2011/01/25/andreas-muller-has-mini-tattooed-on-penis-to-win-car-632961/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Also, while MINI may not make motorcycles, their sister company BMW does, so they could well branch out into that product
area (including related services).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I have already suggested improvements to the SDRP on several occasions, going back almost 2 years now (those were apparently
parked in preference of various data seeking exercises), so would respectfully suggest that others take the baton from here.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As I said, I believe there is a genuine willingness to explore such solutions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">At the same time, it seems unlikely that the current proposal No. 13 is likely to garner consensus, and will defer
to the Sub Team Co-Chairs to address that at the level of our present discussions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Michael Karanicolas <<a href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com" target="_blank">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BECKHAM, Brian <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int" target="_blank">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ariel Liang <<a href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org" target="_blank">ariel.liang@icann.org</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Interesting, thanks for sharing. I checked whether Mini made motorcycles before I sent my proposal in... I didn't think
to check whether they made regular bicycles!<br>
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By any chance, were you able to find any examples of the company branching into the tattoo business as well (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mini.tattoo&d=DwMDaQ&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=gSuWWUEWDxSYsvZJni-czNV73i8NXazPZkmQIfpK7Cs&s=hz_dbl1xW8RVKq76eGzyTRSvMHldbUVm99dT05gNB0w&e=" target="_blank">http://mini.tattoo</a>)?<br>
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I'm not sure if this presents a "nuance" in trademark classes. I don't think it's much of a revelation that "bikes" can refer to motorcycles or regular bicycles. All this represents is a product line I was unaware of. And under my proposal, all Mini would have
to do would be to include the link you provided when they register the domain under sunrise, and that should be that.<br>
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Personally, I don't see how the SDRP challenge process could be retooled to turn it into something that adequately represents the interests of potential future registrants without injecting massive amounts of transparency into the sunrise and TMCH processes...
but I would be interested to hear your thoughts as to how this might work.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Copying here, my full email to the Sunrise List from earlier today as it relates to proposal No. 13:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thanks Julie,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Just for fun (as I am aware the example was merely anecdotal), further to our hypothesizing last night, indeed, MINI
does have a range of folding bikes: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bmwblog.com_2018_02_28_new-2Dmini-2Dfolding-2Dbike_&d=DwMDaQ&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=gSuWWUEWDxSYsvZJni-czNV73i8NXazPZkmQIfpK7Cs&s=-DQKbN4h_dSO8fhDzuHea5uMdkZ4N96oc5TogI1gY8Y&e=" target="_blank">https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/28/new-mini-folding-bike/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">This does however illustrate in some ways the nuance in trademark classes and TLD typology that may escape proposal
No. 13 in its current form.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As I mentioned on our call, I believe there is a shared willingness to address the issue Michael has raised, but via
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As announced, this thread is being opened for final mailing list discussions related to
<b>Sunrise Agreed Charter Question 9</b>, including <b>Proposal #13</b>. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">We ask that you review the <b>Summary Table</b> <b>(as of 16 April 2019) </b>and provide any additional input you may have to the “<b>proposed
answers & preliminary recommendations</b>” in relation to the Agreed Charter Question, and consider <b>draft answers </b>to the following questions regarding the individual proposal:</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">a. Should the Sub Team recommend that the full WG consider including this Individual Proposal in the Initial Report for the solicitation of public comment?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">b. In light of the Individual Proposal, are any modifications to the current “tentative answers & preliminary recommendations” needed?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">c. Should any additional Sub Team recommendations be made in relation to the agreed Sunrise charter question?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Unless the Sub Team Co-Chairs determine otherwise, this discussion thread will remain open until
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">Summary Table</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> (Pages 36-40)</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The draft answers, preliminary recommendations, and links to the relevant individual proposals are in the latest Summary Table (as of 16 April 2019):<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">Agreed Sunrise Charter Question 9</span></b><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> (Page 36)</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The Sub Team just discussed Agreed Charter Question 9 on 08 May 2019, hence the proposed answers are “TBD”. Based on the Sub Team’s
discussions, the transcript and notes, staff will provide update. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Q9 In light of the evidence gathered above, should the scope of Sunrise Registrations be limited to the categories of goods and services for which? </span></i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Proposed Answer</span></u></b><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">:
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background:yellow">Individual Proposal</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The Sub Team just discussed the Proposal #13 on 08 May 2019, hence there is no draft answer currently on the Summary
Table (as of 16 April 2019). Based on the Sub Team’s discussions, the transcript and notes, staff will provide.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Link to the individual proposal is included below. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Proposal #13</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_102146375_Proposal-252313.pdf-3Fapi-3Dv2&d=DwMDaQ&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=gSuWWUEWDxSYsvZJni-czNV73i8NXazPZkmQIfpK7Cs&s=bd_BnRfHGFUSEli5ixdGBdH5cX4wB0bPw3MpUzoFZu4&e=" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%2313.pdf?api=v2</a>
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