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<p>Claudio, I think you have just brilliantly made the case for why
Michael's proposal does not hurt trademark owners, but does harm
the "gamers" who are using their trademark registrations for "the"
and other common, ordinary words to misuse the Sunrise Period.</p>
<p>Best, Kathy<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/9/2019 1:42 PM, claudio di gangi
wrote:<br>
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Michael,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Agreeing with Brian, and just adding some further context
below to the extent helpful.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think the main issue with this discussion is that the use
of a generic top-level domain is not limited to the semantic
meaning or implication of the string (unless the Registry
decides to restrict its registration policy to a certain
community, industry, geographic region, etc.).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is the primary reason why there is no constituted
‘expansion of trademark rights’ when the trademark owner
registers a trademark-corresponding domain name in the gTLD,
whether during Sunrise or General Availability, because the use
of the gTLD is not restricted to certain goods/services, and is
open to various interpretations and forms of use.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The fact that the gTLD is open for any form of use that may
be unrelated to the semantic meaning of the string is the main
reason why it’s helpful for trademark owners to maintain the
option to apply for a registration during Sunrise, even when for
the sake of argument, the gTLD does not appear directly
correlated to the industry, product, class of goods, of the
trademark owner.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In other words, cybersquatters register third-party
trademarks in those types of gTLDs for a several reasons, such
as: (1) trademark owners have limited budgets and are usually
forced to protect their trademark in gTLDs where there is a
direct or indirect connotation or semantic relationship between
the gTLD and the organization’s brand (and/or several other
factors which makes the gTLD a target for registration abuse);
(2) this leaves the remaining gTLDs more of an open target for
cybersquatting the brand.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As a result, this type of approach to defensive registrations
leaves cybersquatters with two main options: (1) register
typographical variations of the trademark, or add additional
terms to the trademark, in gTLDs where there is a indirect or
direct relationship between the semantic meaning of the gTLD and
the trademark; 2) register the trademark (and permutations) as a
domain name in a different gTLD where the trademark owner did
not register their trademark as a domain during Sunrise.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So we see a combination of both of practices in new gTLDs, at
either the same or a higher rate of cybersquatting compared to
legacy domains. This makes Sunrise a needed option for the
purposes mitigating against registration abuse and to help
protect consumers from the harms that follow from these illegal
schemes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>With that said, of course this doesn’t mean that brand owners
are going to utilize the Sunrise RPM across the board. In
practice, because of limited budgets and the expense/costs of
the registrations, I believe the average number of Sunrise
registrations in new gTLDs is between 100 and 200 registrations
per registry. This leaves the vast majority of possible
permutations of domains available for good faith registration by
third parties (or by cybersquatters). </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But in some cases, the brand owner will register in a
specific new gTLD (where the semantic meaning doesn’t appear
directly related at first glance), but the trademark owner is
aware of other factors or reasons - for example, the fame of the
mark, or previous cases of registration abuse when they have
been targeted in a certain manner - to justify the expense of
registering the domain name defensively in that specific gTLD.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, when you add up the totals for a specific company, it
can come to a very large imposed expense, but since the
defensive registrations are spread out across so many different
registries, in any particular gTLD you will only see a limited
number of Sunrise registrations.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I hope the combination of these various factors makes the
issue of lesser concern from your perspective . Also,
importantly as Brian noted, there have been expressions of
interest within the Subteam to review the SDRP policy to see if
we can make incremental improvements, while maintaining the
balance of interests. I am happy to work with you and others on
this effort going forward.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Claudio</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div><br>
On Thursday, May 9, 2019, BECKHAM, Brian <<a
href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int" moz-do-not-send="true">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Michael,
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
would personally prefer not to get into a Google
search race for some kind of “exceptions to prove
the rule” and also because
<a
href="https://trademark.eu/list-of-classes-with-explanatory-notes/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">“tattoos”
is not a class of marks</a>, but these articles
could be of interest in terms of explaining why they
may seek such a defensive sunrise registration:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://www.pinterest.ch/steelephotograp/mini-cooper-tattoos/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pinterest.ch/<wbr>steelephotograp/mini-cooper-<wbr>tattoos/</a>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://metro.co.uk/2011/01/25/andreas-muller-has-mini-tattooed-on-penis-to-win-car-632961/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://metro.co.uk/2011/01/<wbr>25/andreas-muller-has-mini-<wbr>tattooed-on-penis-to-win-car-<wbr>632961/</a>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Also,
while MINI may not make motorcycles, their sister
company BMW does, so they could well branch out into
that product area (including related services).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
have already suggested improvements to the SDRP on
several occasions, going back almost 2 years now
(those were apparently parked in preference of
various data seeking exercises), so would
respectfully suggest that others take the baton from
here.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As
I said, I believe there is a genuine willingness to
explore such solutions.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">At
the same time, it seems unlikely that the current
proposal No. 13 is likely to garner consensus, and
will defer to the Sub Team Co-Chairs to address that
at the level of our present discussions.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Michael Karanicolas <<a
href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BECKHAM, Brian <<a
href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ariel Liang <<a
href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ariel.liang@icann.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion
Thread] Sunrise Q9</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting, thanks for sharing.
I checked whether Mini made motorcycles before I
sent my proposal in... I didn't think to check
whether they made regular bicycles!<br>
<br>
By any chance, were you able to find any examples of
the company branching into the tattoo business as
well (<a href="http://mini.tattoo" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://mini.tattoo</a>)?<br>
<br>
I'm not sure if this presents a "nuance" in
trademark classes. I don't think it's much of a
revelation that "bikes" can refer to motorcycles or
regular bicycles. All this represents is a product
line I was unaware of. And under my proposal, all
Mini would have to do would be to include the link
you provided when they register the domain under
sunrise, and that should be that.<br>
<br>
Personally, I don't see how the SDRP challenge
process could be retooled to turn it into something
that adequately represents the interests of
potential future registrants without injecting
massive amounts of transparency into the sunrise and
TMCH processes... but I would be interested to
hear your thoughts as to how this might work.</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:38 PM
BECKHAM, Brian <<a
href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
#cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks
Ariel,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Copying
here, my full email to the Sunrise List from
earlier today as it relates to proposal No.
13:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">--</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks
Julie,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just
for fun (as I am aware the example was
merely anecdotal), further to our
hypothesizing last night, indeed, MINI does
have a range of folding bikes: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/28/new-mini-folding-bike/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/<wbr>02/28/new-mini-folding-bike/</a>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This
does however illustrate in some ways the
nuance in trademark classes and TLD typology
that may escape proposal No. 13 in its
current form.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As
I mentioned on our call, I believe there is
a shared willingness to address the issue
Michael has raised, but via the SDRP
challenge process, and not via claims
exclusions.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">--</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid
#e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">
Gnso-rpm-sunrise <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ariel Liang<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:36
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-rpm-sunrise]
[Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:black">Dear Sunrise Sub Team
members,
</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:black">As announced, this
thread is being opened for final mailing
list discussions related to
<b>Sunrise Agreed Charter Question</b></span><b>
9</b>, including <b>Proposal #13</b><span
style="color:black">.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">We ask
that you review the <b>Summary Table</b> <b>(as
of 16 April 2019) </b>and provide any
additional input you may have to the “<b>proposed
answers & preliminary recommendations</b>”
in relation to the Agreed Charter
Question, and consider <b>draft answers </b>to
the following questions regarding the
individual proposal:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">a.
Should the Sub Team recommend that the full
WG consider including this Individual
Proposal in the Initial Report for the
solicitation of public comment?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">b.
In light of the Individual Proposal, are any
modifications to the current “tentative
answers & preliminary recommendations”
needed?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">c.
Should any additional Sub Team
recommendations be made in relation to the
agreed Sunrise charter question?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:black">Unless the Sub Team
Co-Chairs determine otherwise, this
discussion thread will remain open until
<b>23:59 UTC on </b></span><b>22 <span
style="color:black">May 2019</span></b><span
style="color:black">. Comments/input
provided past the closing date or outside
this discussion thread will not be taken
into account when compiling the final Sub
Team member input.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
style="background:yellow">Summary Table</span>
(Pages 36-40)</b></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:black">The draft answers,
preliminary recommendations, and links to
the relevant individual proposals are in the
latest Summary Table (as of 16 April 2019):</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#1155cc">https://community.icann.org/<wbr>download/attachments/<wbr>102138618/%5BSunrise%<wbr>20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%<wbr>20April%202019%29.pdf?version=<wbr>1&modificationDate=<wbr>1555515624235&api=v2</span></a><span
style="color:black">.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;background:yellow">Agreed
Sunrise Charter Question
</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;background:yellow">9</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">
(Page</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> 36)</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">The Sub
Team</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">
just<span style="color:black"> discussed
Agreed Charter Question
</span>9<span style="color:black"> on </span>08
May <span style="color:black">2019, hence
the proposed answers are “TBD”. Based on
the Sub Team’s discussions, the transcript
and notes, staff will provide</span>
update<span style="color:black">.
</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><br>
Q</span></i><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">9 In light of the
evidence gathered above, should the scope
of Sunrise Registrations be limited to the
categories of goods and services for
which?
<span style="color:black"> </span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Proposed
Answer</span></u></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">TBD</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
style="color:black;background:yellow">Individual
Proposal</span></b></p>
<p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="color:black">The Sub Team just
discussed the Proposal #</span>13 <span
style="color:black">
on 0</span>8 <span style="color:black">May
2019, hence there is no draft answer
currently on the Summary Table (as of 16
April 2019). Based on the Sub Team’s<span> </span>discussions,
the transcript and notes, staff will
provide.</span></p>
<p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="color:black">Link to the individual
proposal is included below.<span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Proposal
#</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">13</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">:</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> <a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%2313.pdf?api=v2"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.<wbr>org/download/attachments/<wbr>102146375/Proposal%2313.pdf?<wbr>api=v2</a>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;background:yellow">Where
to Find All Discussion Threads</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Access the
Documents wiki page and find the opening
messages of the all discussion threads in
the table (highlighted in green):
<a
href="https://community.icann.org/x/_oIWBg"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/x/<wbr>_oIWBg</a>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Best
Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Mary,
Julie, Ariel</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> </p>
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