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    This working group has hit on numerous problems with the Sunrise
    regime, with harms falling disproportionately on non-commercial and
    small business registrants. Michael K. has proposed a narrow
    solution to one of these problems, and I think it deserves serious
    consideration.<br>
    <br>
    Quite simply, Sunrise as it exists is an expansion of trademark
    rights. Allowing priority registration without regard to the actual
    goods and services to which a mark pertains turns a trademark from a
    source identifier into a global dominion over a word or phrase. We
    have ample evidence that Sunrise is being abused in just that way.
    Looking beyond obvious abuses, there is little or no justification
    for giving trademark holders priority registration in TLDs that are
    clearly orthogonal to any product or service the mark-holder offers.
    <br>
    <br>
    At scale, having that priority absolutely harms the free expression
    rights of others. To use a simple example, Apple is a distinctive
    trademark in consumer technology but a generic word in many other
    circumstances. There are any number of individuals and organizations
    who should be able to express themselves with a domain name
    containing Apple, in ways that raise no possibility of trademark
    infringement or cybersquatting. All of these potential users should
    have equal opportunity to register "apple" in new TLDs that don't
    raise an association with technology products.<br>
    <br>
    Moreover, we need to be consistent about questions of scale. If
    sunrise registrations are used often enough to provide benefit to
    trademark holders, then they are also being used often enough to
    interfere with the rights of noncommercial users. And if they are
    not used very much at all, then we should be jettisoning the program
    as unnecessary. If Sunrise is to continue, Michael's proposal is a
    straightforward way of making it conform to the actual legal rights
    it's meant to protect.<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Mitch Stoltz
Senior Staff Attorney, EFF | 415-436-9333 x142
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/15/19 8:09 AM, Kathy Kleiman
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>Hi Phil,</p>
      <p>As a co-chair, I'm a little surprised by the vehemence of the
        debate. Many of us are lawyers and we're used to talking about
        important issues in dispassionate ways. I think we should do so
        here.<br>
      </p>
      <p>As an ordinary member, I participate in these discussions, as
        you and Brian do, and in that capacity, I note that we have a
        problem.  I also see the seeds of the solution in your answer
        below.</p>
      <p>In 2009, we foresaw that there might be gaming of the Sunrise
        period -- people registering trademarks for ordinary words to
        get priority during Sunrise. We now see it happening.
        Journalists, reporters and bloggers have done the work for us --
        and no one seems surprised by their results.  I list some of the
        articles we (as a Subteam) collected below. Links in our Sunrise
        Summary Table under Q9 - <span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span
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      <p>Nothing in the MK proposal is burdensome, or unusual. It's
        narrowly-tailored (too narrowly-tailored in my view) to prevent
        gaming and to use systems already in place.  </p>
      <p>As you note below, the cost of the vetting is part of the
        process for many gTLDs and ccTLDs -- whether it is providing
        residency in Japan or the objective standard for .bank or
        .insurance or .attorney or .cpa. It's already built into our
        processes -- and not burdensome -- and easily extended to
        Sunrise.<br>
      </p>
      <p>We know there is a misuse and even abuse of the Sunrise system.
        The MK proposal is an easy fix, and one that actually protects
        and preserves the balance of rights. We are being asked to solve
        problems -- and this is a big one.<br>
      </p>
      <p>Best, Kathy<br>
      </p>
      <p><b>Articles in our gathering data (links in Summary Table):</b></p>
      <p><b>● How one guy games new gTLD sunrise periods</b><b><br>
        </b><b>● Fake Trademarks Stealing Generic Domains In New gTLD
          Sunrises</b><b><br>
        </b><b>● The Trademark ClearingHouse Worked So Well One Company
          Got 24 new gTLD using The Famous Trademark “The"</b><b><br>
        </b><b>● How common words like Pizza, Money, and Shopping ended
          up in  the Trademark Clearinghouse for new TLDs</b><b><br>
        </b><b>● The numbers are in! Donuts sunrises typically get 100+
          domains, but they also got gamed</b><b><br>
        </b><b>● Digging in on Donuts’ Sunrise: Amazon tops the list,
          gaming, and top registrars</b><b><br>
        </b><b>● .Build Registry Using Questionable Swiss Trademark
          Registration To Grab “Build” Domains In Sunrise</b><b><br>
        </b><b>● How Did RetailMeNot Get 849 .Codes Domains In Sunrise
          Without AnyTrademarks?</b><b><br>
        </b> <br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/15/2019 10:10 AM, Corwin, Philip
        wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Kathy:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">I
              presume that these are your personal views, just as the
              email I posted last week raising serious doubts about
              Michael’s proposal were clearly labeled as personal.
              Likewise, what follows is an expression of personal views.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Not
              to repeat myself, but to the extent there is gaming based
              on weak marks it should be a focus of discussion when we
              review requirements for mark recordation in the TMCH. But
              I have seen no substantial evidence that legitimate
              trademark holders are seeking to utilize sunrise
              registrations in gTLDs other than those for which they
              have a good faith belief that registration is necessary
              for brand protection. Even where a sunrise registration
              might arguably be abusive, I do not see that as placing
              any burden on the speech rights of others who wish to
              register a domain name that bears some resemblance. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">I
              also described why I believe adoption of this proposal
              will require a costly bureaucracy to yield reasonably
              consistent applications of what will always be a
              subjective standard subject to interpretation. I do not
              see this as the same as the objective standard for a .bank
              or .insurance domain (where the cost of vetting is built
              into the registration fee, and the requirement is
              satisfied by furnishing a certificate evidencing that the
              applicant is a regulated institution) or even ccTLDs,
              where some have objective criteria to demonstrate being
              domiciled or doing business in a particular jurisdiction.
              While I don’t believe that Michael has the responsibility
              to provide a full-blown implementation scheme, I have not
              yet heard a credible explanation of how adoption of a
              relationship test will be consistently administered in a
              cost-effective way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Finally,
              and more broadly, we are in the process of considering
              proposals to recommend to the full WG for inclusion in the
              Initial Report for public comment. While that does not
              require a demonstration of consensus at this point, it
              should require some reasonably strong support within the
              sub team and, following that, the WG;  and some prospect
              that the proposal can achieve consensus down the road
              within the WG (for the Final Report) and Council. Frankly,
              I don’t see that reasonably strong support for Michael’s
              proposal within the sub team but rather a sharp divide
              over whether there is even a problem that requires
              addressing. And, while I have no crystal ball, I feel
              reasonably confident that in the end contracted parties
              will oppose it for administrative and cost reasons, among
              others, and that BC and IPC members will oppose it as
              putting yet another burden on sunrise registrations – so I
              don’t see any prospect of consensus. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Philip
                S. Corwin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Policy
                Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">VeriSign,
                Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
                lang="EN">12061 Bluemont Way<br>
                Reston, VA 20190<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">703-948-4648/Direct<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">571-342-7489/Cell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">"Luck
                  is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                  Gnso-rpm-sunrise <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org></a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 15, 2019 9:04 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise]
                  [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p>Hi All,<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p>I think the discussion is an important one because it is
            brings up issues across categories.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>a) Michael's proposal addresses a problem we have found in
            our data-driven analysis. There are gamers out there who are
            registering trademarks in a certain category of goods and
            services, and then using them to register an array of domain
            names in Sunrise having nothing at all to do with the
            categories of their trademark registration. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>We committed at the outset of the RPMs -- in the 2009 era -
            that we would not be expanding trademark rights. That's
            exactly what is happening in these situations and
            registrations.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>b) The SDRP is broken - barely used because the Trademark
            Clearinghouse was supposed to be public, during
            implementation it was turned private, so challengers cannot
            get the information they need to challenge. Plus, it's not
            the job a challenger to police the basic principle of the
            entire RPM process.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Brian, you have mentioned your "suggested improvements to
            the SDRP" from 2 years ago several times, but that was 1000s
            of emails ago, and we worked hard to compile the data and
            solutions that we are looking at today. Per the rules that
            we agreed to as Co-Chairs and as a WG, we created a new
            table, atop extensive data gathering, and things must be
            reintroduced from prior to our URS break. If you could do
            so, that would be very timely. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>I've suggested changes to the SDRP that would give
            challengers some chance to use it -- although only for the
            narrow purpose intended. The SDRP was not intended to solve
            a broad gaming problem -- because we did not anticipate one.
            We know know it exists; and a policy/operational fix
            resolves it. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>c) Michael suggests a narrowly tailored solution for a
            gaming problem that we now know exists. His solution is
            completely consistent with how registrars, in many of these
            gTLDs, already handle General Availability (e.g., required
            proof to register in .BANK). It's not a new process -- just
            a way to use existing process to avoid gaming and preserve
            the principles we agreed to in this process. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p>On 5/9/2019 12:04 PM, BECKHAM, Brian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Michael,
              </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
                would personally prefer not to get into a Google search
                race for some kind of “exceptions to prove the rule” and
                also because <a
                  href="https://trademark.eu/list-of-classes-with-explanatory-notes/"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">“tattoos” is not a class of
                  marks</a>, but these articles could be of interest in
                terms of explaining why they may seek such a defensive
                sunrise registration:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://www.pinterest.ch/steelephotograp/mini-cooper-tattoos/"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pinterest.ch/steelephotograp/mini-cooper-tattoos/</a>
              </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://metro.co.uk/2011/01/25/andreas-muller-has-mini-tattooed-on-penis-to-win-car-632961/"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://metro.co.uk/2011/01/25/andreas-muller-has-mini-tattooed-on-penis-to-win-car-632961/</a>
              </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Also,
                while MINI may not make motorcycles, their sister
                company BMW does, so they could well branch out into
                that product area (including related services).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
                have already suggested improvements to the SDRP on
                several occasions, going back almost 2 years now (those
                were apparently parked in preference of various data
                seeking exercises), so would respectfully suggest that
                others take the baton from here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As
                I said, I believe there is a genuine willingness to
                explore such solutions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">At
                the same time, it seems unlikely that the current
                proposal No. 13 is likely to garner consensus, and will
                defer to the Sub Team Co-Chairs to address that at the
                level of our present discussions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
              </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                Michael Karanicolas <a
                  href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><mkaranicolas@gmail.com></a>
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:50 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> BECKHAM, Brian <a
                  href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><brian.beckham@wipo.int></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Ariel Liang <a
                  href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><ariel.liang@icann.org></a>;
                <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion
                Thread] Sunrise Q9</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Interesting, thanks for sharing. I
                checked whether Mini made motorcycles before I sent my
                proposal in... I didn't think to check whether they made
                regular bicycles!<br>
                <br>
                By any chance, were you able to find any examples of the
                company branching into the tattoo business as well (<a
                  href="http://mini.tattoo" moz-do-not-send="true">http://mini.tattoo</a>)?<br>
                <br>
                I'm not sure if this presents a "nuance" in trademark
                classes. I don't think it's much of a revelation that
                "bikes" can refer to motorcycles or regular bicycles.
                All this represents is a product line I was unaware of.
                And under my proposal, all Mini would have to do would
                be to include the link you provided when they register
                the domain under sunrise, and that should be that.<br>
                <br>
                Personally, I don't see how the SDRP challenge process
                could be retooled to turn it into something that
                adequately represents the interests of potential future
                registrants without injecting massive amounts of
                transparency into the sunrise and TMCH processes... but
                I would be interested to hear your thoughts as to how
                this might work.<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:38 PM
                  BECKHAM, Brian <<a
                    href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>>
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
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                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks
                        Ariel,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Copying
                        here, my full email to the Sunrise List from
                        earlier today as it relates to proposal No. 13:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks
                        Julie,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just
                        for fun (as I am aware the example was merely
                        anecdotal), further to our hypothesizing last
                        night, indeed, MINI does have a range of folding
                        bikes:  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
                          href="https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/28/new-mini-folding-bike/"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/28/new-mini-folding-bike/</a>
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This
                        does however illustrate in some ways the nuance
                        in trademark classes and TLD typology that may
                        escape proposal No. 13 in its current form.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As I
                        mentioned on our call, I believe there is a
                        shared willingness to address the issue Michael
                        has raised, but via the SDRP challenge process,
                        and not via claims exclusions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                        1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt"> Gnso-rpm-sunrise
                            <<a
                              href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org</a>>
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ariel Liang<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:36 PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> <a
                              href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-rpm-sunrise]
                            [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Dear
                      Sunrise Sub Team members,  <o:p> </o:p></p>
                    <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">As
                      announced, this thread is being opened for final
                      mailing list discussions related to <b>Sunrise
                        Agreed Charter Question 9</b>, including <b>Proposal
                        #13</b>. <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt">We ask that you review
                        the <b>Summary Table</b> <b>(as of 16 April
                          2019) </b>and provide any additional input you
                        may have to the “<b>proposed answers &
                          preliminary recommendations</b>” in relation
                        to the Agreed Charter Question, and consider <b>draft
                          answers </b>to the following questions
                        regarding the individual proposal:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt">a. Should the Sub Team
                        recommend that the full WG consider including
                        this Individual Proposal in the Initial Report
                        for the solicitation of public comment?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt">b. In light of the
                        Individual Proposal, are any modifications to
                        the current “tentative answers & preliminary
                        recommendations” needed?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;vertical-align:baseline"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt">c. Should any
                        additional Sub Team recommendations be made in
                        relation to the agreed Sunrise charter question?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Unless
                      the Sub Team Co-Chairs determine otherwise, this
                      discussion thread will remain open until <b>23:59
                        UTC on 22 May 2019</b>. Comments/input provided
                      past the closing date or outside this discussion
                      thread will not be taken into account when
                      compiling the final Sub Team member input.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
                          style="background:yellow">Summary Table</span>
                        (Pages 36-40)</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">The
                      draft answers, preliminary recommendations, and
                      links to the relevant individual proposals are in
                      the latest Summary Table (as of 16 April 2019):<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:#1155CC">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2</span></a>.
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt;background:yellow">Agreed
                          Sunrise Charter Question 9</span></b><b><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt"> (Page 36)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt">The Sub Team just
                        discussed Agreed Charter Question 9 on 08 May
                        2019, hence the proposed answers are “TBD”.
                        Based on the Sub Team’s discussions, the
                        transcript and notes, staff will provide update.
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                          Q9 In light of the evidence gathered above,
                          should the scope of Sunrise Registrations be
                          limited to the categories of goods and
                          services for which?  </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            style="font-size:11.0pt">Proposed Answer</span></u></b><b><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt">: </span></b><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt">TBD</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
                          style="background:yellow">Individual Proposal</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">The
                      Sub Team just discussed the Proposal #13 on 08 May
                      2019, hence there is no draft answer currently on
                      the Summary Table (as of 16 April 2019). Based on
                      the Sub Team’s<span
                        class="gmail-m2911496483692323131apple-converted-space"> </span>discussions,
                      the transcript and notes, staff will provide.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">Link
                      to the individual proposal is included below.<span
class="gmail-m2911496483692323131apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt">Proposal #13</span></b><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt">: <a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%2313.pdf?api=v2"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%2313.pdf?api=v2</a>
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                        style="font-size:11.0pt">Access the Documents
                        wiki page and find the opening messages of the
                        all discussion threads in the table (highlighted
                        in green): <a
                          href="https://community.icann.org/x/_oIWBg"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/x/_oIWBg</a>
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                        style="font-size:11.0pt">Mary, Julie, Ariel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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