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    <p>I think we are agreeing, Phil. I thought you were saying there
      was a remedy to the problem Michael is trying to solve in the
      registration process (per your words below). <br>
    </p>
    <p>But there is clear gaming -- in the Analysis Group Report and
      many online articles... a problem we might still solve with
      narrowly-tailored solutions.</p>
    <p>Best, Kathy<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/12/2019 1:59 PM, Corwin, Philip
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Kathy:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Sunrise
            registrations are not restricted to famous or well known
            remarks, but are available to any trademark that has met the
            recordation requirements for the TMCH and has also
            demonstrated use in commerce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I have
            already explained at length why, in my personal view, the
            low levels of average sunrise registrations in new gTLDs do
            not provide evidence of substantial abuse, much less
            suppression of free speech, sufficient to justify
            restrictive criteria that would necessitate complex
            decisions and evaluative criteria, including an appeals
            process, to be effective and fair.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Best, Philip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Philip
              S. Corwin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Policy
              Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">VeriSign,
              Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
              lang="EN">12061 Bluemont Way<br>
              Reston, VA 20190<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">703-948-4648/Direct<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">571-342-7489/Cell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">"Luck
                is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                style="color:windowtext"> Kathy Kleiman
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"><kathy@kathykleiman.com></a>
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2019 12:25 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a>; Corwin, Philip
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com"><pcorwin@verisign.com></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise]
                [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Hi Phil,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>I've been puzzling over this for awhile, so let me write
          before our meeting today. The TMCH registration involved in
          gaming, including THE, CHRISTMAS, PEN, and most upsettingly
          CLOUD (since it represents an entire sector of services) -
          gaming examples covered by reporters -- appear to be
          legitimate trademarks. They are registered somewhere and in
          some category of goods and services. Thus, I don't see how
          "the standards for mark recordation in the TMCH" would impact
          its inclusion. 
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>The problem I thought we were puzzling over is the clear
          misuse of the Sunrise period. These are not famous marks, or
          even well known marks. From the reports, they appear to be
          registered solely to game the system and receive Sunrise
          registrations for valuable domain names far from any of their
          categories of goods and services (e.g., the many registrations
          in Sunrise for "THE"). I think we should all worry about this
          misuse of the Sunrise period -- trademark owners because they
          will be deprived of legitimate opportunities to register their
          trademarks as domain names in their chosen New gTLDs and
          noncommercial community because this removes ordinary words
          from registrations.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>I don't see how reviewing the standards for mark recordation
          solves this one... but the proposal seems narrowly-tailored to
          address the harms and not any legitimate trademark owners or
          trademark/Sunrise activity.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>On 6/7/2019 1:18 PM, Corwin, Philip via Gnso-rpm-sunrise
          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your further response,
            Michael.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Again, I do not perceive substantial
            abuse or incursion on free speech with the present system. A
            registrar review of the submitted rationale would likely be
            nothing more than a low speed bump before completion of
            registration in almost every instance.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I look forward to working with you in
            reviewing the standards for mark recordation in the TMCH
            when we reach the next stage of our work.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Best, Philip<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Philip S.
              Corwin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Policy
              Counsel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">VeriSign,
              Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN">12061
              Bluemont Way<br>
              Reston, VA 20190</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">703-948-4648/Direct</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">571-342-7489/Cell</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Luck
                is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Michael Karanicolas <a
              href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
              <mkaranicolas@gmail.com></a> <br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 05, 2019 1:40 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Corwin, Philip <a
              href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><pcorwin@verisign.com></a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:mitch@eff.org"
              moz-do-not-send="true">mitch@eff.org</a>; <a
              href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
              gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise]
            [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Phil,<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><i>"Replying again in a personal
                  capacity – if there are indeed widespread serious
                  abuses of sunrise registrations taking place ( a
                  contention with which I do not concur) then I would
                  think that proponents of that view would want a fairly
                  rigorous review process to prevent them."</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Personally, I would support a more
                robust ruleset, and if you recall, when I first raised
                this issue, I did suggest a stricter standard. This
                proposal came about as a result of the objections that
                were raised then. I understand that compromise can be
                necessary, so I attempted to respond to the substance of
                these objections by narrowing the proposal, and crafting
                it in a manner which is minimally intrusive to
                legitimate registrations and easier to implement while
                still addressing egregious cases, as an attempt to
                generate enough support to get something done to address
                the problem. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><i>"But let me ask you this – I
                  presume that if your proposal was adopted that rights
                  holders seeking to complete sunrise registrations in
                  vertical gTLDs that referenced a category if good or
                  services would need to submit a statement explaining
                  how the gTLD string related to goods and services
                  associated with their marks.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i>So
                if Mini applied for mini.bike and submitted a statement
                that this related to their offerings of <a
href="https://www.shopminiusa.com/MINI-LIFESTYLE/GIFTS-AND-GOODIES/BIKES"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bikes  and bike
                  accessories</a> at what point in the registration
                process would that be submitted and what entity would
                evaluate it?</i><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i>Similarly,
                if Nike applied for Nike.bike and submitted a statement
                that this was based upon their offerings of <a
href="https://www.nike.com/w?q=women%E2%80%99s%20bike%20shorts&vst=bike"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bike shorts</a> –
                same question?</i><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">While
              I am open to discussion on implementation, I think that
              the most practical way to handle this would be for the
              registrar to do it at the point of sale. Again - similar
              to the way ccTLD residency checks and the .bank reviews
              work, but simpler. They could take a fast look at the
              statement (re: offerings of bikes or whatever), and then
              keep a record of the response. If there were questions
              later (from the registries or pursuant to a SDRP perhaps)
              the registrars could share the information. Again - I
              would be open to suggestion, if you think an alternative
              structure would be more efficient.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Michael<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 3:09 PM
                Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Michael:<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Replying
                    again in a personal capacity – if there are indeed
                    widespread serious abuses of sunrise registrations
                    taking place ( a contention with which I do not
                    concur) then I would think that proponents of that
                    view would want a fairly rigorous review process to
                    prevent them.<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But
                    let me ask you this – I presume that if your
                    proposal was adopted that rights holders seeking to
                    complete sunrise registrations in vertical gTLDs
                    that referenced a category if good or services would
                    need to submit a statement explaining how the gTLD
                    string related to goods and services associated with
                    their marks.<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So
                    if Mini applied for mini.bike and submitted a
                    statement that this related to their offerings of
                    <a
href="https://www.shopminiusa.com/MINI-LIFESTYLE/GIFTS-AND-GOODIES/BIKES"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                      bikes  and bike accessories</a> at what point in
                    the registration process would that be submitted and
                    what entity would evaluate it?<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Similarly,
                    if Nike applied for Nike.bike and submitted a
                    statement that this was based upon their offerings
                    of
                    <a
href="https://www.nike.com/w?q=women%E2%80%99s%20bike%20shorts&vst=bike"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                      bike shorts</a> – same question?<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,
                    Philip<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Philip
                      S. Corwin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Policy
                      Counsel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">VeriSign,
                      Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
                      lang="EN">12061 Bluemont Way<br>
                      Reston, VA 20190</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">703-948-4648/Direct</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">571-342-7489/Cell</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Luck
                        is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                    Michael Karanicolas <<a
                      href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>>
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 29, 2019 1:37 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Corwin, Philip <<a
                      href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:mitch@eff.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mitch@eff.org</a>;
                    <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                      gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: Re:
                    [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Obviously,
                        I'm not proposing "letting all proposed
                        registrations get in". I just noted that, in the
                        cases that you mentioned, I wouldn't see a
                        problem. You bring up geo names - which I'm not
                        sure would even be included under this proposal
                        since it's only meant to apply to categories of
                        goods - but if they did, I would not argue for
                        requiring a physical presence there. I'm not
                        sure I fully follow your second question with
                        regard to "the gTLD vertical" - but again, I'm
                        happy for the broader and more inclusive
                        approach.<o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
                          point of a low bar assessment is to target
                          obvious cases of abuse, or a clear disconnect
                          between a trademark and the domain under
                          request, but to provide for minimal impairment
                          of legitimate registrations, while minimizing
                          all the administrative costs that you keep
                          trying to build in by keeping the assessment
                          relatively inclusive. <o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
                        Wed, May 29, 2019 at 2:19 PM Corwin, Philip <<a
                          href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>
                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
                      #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Michael:<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Again,
                            speaking in a personal capacity – I must say
                            I am confused by your response.
                            <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You
                            say “The evidence that the system is open to
                            abuse, and that abuse has taken place, has
                            been amply demonstrated, and it follows that
                            if we take no action the system will likely
                            continue to be abused.”, but then you say,
                            “I'm generally fine letting them all in. As
                            I said - a low bar assessment, just to make
                            sure the system isn't being obviously
                            abused.”<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">If
                            you believe that significant abuse has and
                            will take place, then how does letting all
                            proposed registrations get in under a low
                            bar assessment address the problem you
                            perceive?<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best,
                            Philip<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Philip S. Corwin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Policy Counsel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">VeriSign, Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN">12061
                              Bluemont Way<br>
                              Reston, VA 20190</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">703-948-4648/Direct</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">571-342-7489/Cell</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Luck is the residue of
                                design" -- Branch Rickey</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                            Michael Karanicolas <<a
                              href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>>
                            <br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 29, 2019 1:06 PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> Corwin, Philip <<a
                              href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>><br>
                            <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:mitch@eff.org"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mitch@eff.org</a>;
                            <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                              gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re:
                            [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion Thread]
                            Sunrise Q9<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi
                              Phil,<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                                appreciate you taking the time to look
                                up the Wikipedia entries for so many
                                different languages, but if your purpose
                                was to make the case that there are a
                                lot of different words out there, I'm
                                not sure you needed to bother with the
                                effort. I will concede that point.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But
                                if your underlying argument is that none
                                of this matters because there's so many
                                words still available, and one is just
                                as good as another because domain names
                                don't really matter much... Well - what
                                are we all doing here?<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Seriously
                                - why do people spend tens of millions
                                of dollars on a domain name if one is as
                                good as another? Why did Amazon just
                                spend god-knows how much time and money
                                trying to secure .Amazon, when they
                                could have just shifted over to
                                .AmazonCorp or .TheAmazonCompany if
                                those are just as good and would have
                                spared them the fight? The answer, as we
                                all know, is that while there's lots of
                                words in the English language, they're
                                not all interchangeable, and some letter
                                strings are better than others in
                                conveying an idea. And this is why the
                                registration of incredibly common words,
                                ostensibly for the purpose of trademark
                                protection. is so troubling, because it
                                carves off a space that could, and
                                likely would, be utilized for a
                                legitimate purpose just because it has a
                                tangential relation to an existing mark.
                                The evidence that the system is open to
                                abuse, and that abuse has taken place,
                                has been amply demonstrated, and it
                                follows that if we take no action the
                                system will likely continue to be
                                abused. If we just ignore this issue,
                                which is fairly glaring, I think it will
                                lead to problems down the line, as the
                                working group seeks approval for its
                                broader recommendations.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                                agree that we need to work towards
                                implementable guidelines, but I don't
                                agree that it's the sort of
                                insurmountable obstacle you are making
                                it out to be, particularly if we adopt a
                                relatively low bar, as I've been saying
                                all this time. I believe you, in a
                                previous post, spoke of "overkill" and a
                                "needlessly complicated" solution - but
                                you're the one pushing the proposal in
                                this direction. I, personally, don't
                                think the assessment needs to be done by
                                a "neutral third, non-contracted party",
                                and as to your other examples - I'm
                                generally fine letting them all in. As I
                                said - a low bar assessment, just to
                                make sure the system isn't being
                                obviously abused. <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Michael<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
                                Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:25 PM Corwin,
                                Philip via Gnso-rpm-sunrise <<a
                                  href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a>>
                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote
                              style="border:none;border-left:solid
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This
                                    response is in a personal capacity.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">First,
                                    I would note that the standard for a
                                    proposal to be included in the
                                    Initial Report for the purpose of
                                    soliciting public comment is strong
                                    support within the sub team and
                                    subsequently the full WG.  I do not
                                    perceive Michael’s proposal to limit
                                    sunrise registrations in at least
                                    vertical gTLDs to those related (a
                                    term that requires significant
                                    definition) to the goods and
                                    services to which a mark has been
                                    registered as having received that
                                    level of support. Indeed, I believe
                                    the sub team has become more divided
                                    on it as discussion has proceeded.
                                    (Of course, the sub team’s
                                    consideration of the proposal will,
                                    if my perception of support level is
                                    borne out, still be noted in the
                                    Initial Report and anyone will be
                                    free to comment upon it; it simply
                                    will not be endorsed proposal on
                                    which the ICANN community is
                                    specifically invited to comment.)<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Second,
                                    I have stated my belief that,
                                    especially with higher sunrise
                                    pricing being a gating factor,
                                    rights holders have been judicious
                                    in their use of sunrise
                                    registrations. The fact that sunrise
                                    registrations have only averaged
                                    150-200 per new gTLD documents that
                                    very selective use, and provides no
                                    evidence of significant abuse. (As
                                    for questionable marks being
                                    registered, that is a subject for
                                    review in our next and final phase,
                                    when we focus back on and conclude
                                    recommendations on the TMCH,
                                    including the requirements for
                                    recording a mark.)<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Third,
                                    as we seem to be engaged in
                                    mathematical analysis, consider that
                                    according to the
                                    <a
href="https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/explore/how-many-words-are-there-in-the-english-language/"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">
                                      Oxford English Dictionary</a>,
                                    “there are, at the very least, a
                                    quarter of a million distinct
                                    English words, excluding
                                    inflections, and words from
                                    technical and regional vocabulary
                                    not covered by the
                                    <i>OED</i>, or words not yet added
                                    to the published dictionary, of
                                    which perhaps 20 per cent are no
                                    longer in current use. If distinct
                                    senses were counted, the total would
                                    probably approach three quarters of
                                    a million”.
                                    <a
href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dictionaries_by_number_of_words"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">
                                      Wikipedia</a>, for its part, notes
                                    that the 5<sup>th</sup> edition of
                                    the American Heritage Dictionary of
                                    the English Language contains more
                                    than 370,000 words. English of
                                    course is not the only language
                                    written in ASCII characters (and
                                    therefore not IDNs) – again
                                    according to Wikipedia, German has
                                    330,00 words, Italian 260,000,
                                    French 135,000,  Spanish 93,000,
                                    Portuguese 442,000, and so on.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But
                                    sticking just to English, if we
                                    conservatively estimate that there
                                    are 300,000 distinct dictionary
                                    words, then even an average sunrise
                                    registration  total of 200 words per
                                    new gTLD leaves 299,800 available to
                                    register by anyone (and that doesn’t
                                    include made up, non-dictionary
                                    words). Out of 300,000 available
                                    words, 200 represents less than 1/10<sup>th</sup>
                                    of one percent. So the burden of
                                    sunrise registrations on the
                                    availability of dictionary words as
                                    domain names is infinitesimal as,
                                    for English alone, 99.9% of all
                                    dictionary words remain available
                                    for general registration.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Fourth,
                                    the speech embodied in a domain name
                                    is minimal at best. Domain names
                                    function primarily as an Internet
                                    address, with an expressive function
                                    being secondary. Most domain names
                                    consist (and the ones we are
                                    discussing do so entirely) of a
                                    single term separated by a dot from
                                    the gTLD string label. Not much
                                    meaningful speech is made up of just
                                    one word plus a gTLD designation
                                    (e.g., ride.bike).<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Fifth,
                                    the domain platform is the primary
                                    space in which meaningful speech is
                                    expressed, and a sunrise
                                    registration leaves ample (indeed,
                                    almost unlimited) latitude for those
                                    who do not possess trademark rights
                                    to engage in unfettered speech. The
                                    proposal under discussion cited as
                                    an alleged “abuse” BMW’s sunrise
                                    registration of mini.bikes. But that
                                    registration still leaves available
                                    a vast number of .bike domains that
                                    include the word mini to serve as
                                    platforms for meaningful speech –
                                    including minis.bike,
                                    miniraces.bike, minisafety.bikes,
                                    minifans.bike, minikids.bike,
                                    minidirt.bike, and on and on. So the
                                    availability of sunrise
                                    registrations has essentially no
                                    censorship effect on free speech.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Sixth
                                    and most importantly, even if one
                                    agrees with the proponents of the
                                    proposal (which I do not) that there
                                    is some problem in need of a
                                    solution, they have failed to
                                    describe any practical means by
                                    which the proposal would be
                                    uniformly and effectively
                                    administered, or estimated what such
                                    a process would cost. While there is
                                    no requirement to develop a full
                                    implementation plan until after a
                                    proposal receives consensus support,
                                    there should at least be some
                                    general description of what
                                    administration will entail (and I
                                    must say that I do not find
                                    statements such as “it’s easy” or
                                    “during the registration process” to
                                    be very convincing or assuring). If
                                    the proponents truly believe there
                                    is a significant problem to be
                                    redressed then they would want their
                                    solution to be administered in an
                                    objective, uniform, and effective
                                    manner by a neutral third,
                                    non-contracted party (noting also
                                    that registries and registrars would
                                    have commercial incentives to accept
                                    almost any rationale provided by a
                                    rights holder for a proposed domain
                                    registration). A standard policy
                                    will have to be developed that
                                    wrestles with such questions as
                                    whether a rights holder wishing to
                                    register in a geo domain must
                                    maintain a physical facility in the
                                    locale, or whether demonstrating
                                    sales in the location is sufficient;
                                    and whether “related to” is to be
                                    narrowly defined to require that the
                                    rights holder have registrations for
                                    goods and services that directly
                                    coincide with the gTLD vertical, or
                                    whether it is sufficient to simply
                                    supply goods and services that are
                                    employed by those engaged in
                                    activities described by the vertical
                                    (the first would bar nike.bike, the
                                    second would allow it). And of
                                    course there must be some appeals
                                    process for those rights holders who
                                    believe they have been improperly
                                    barred from making a valid sunrise
                                    registration – and who will
                                    administer that, and what standard
                                    will it employ?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Given
                                    the overall failure to describe any
                                    demonstrable and consistent abuse or
                                    significant impingement of speech by
                                    actual sunrise registartions, as
                                    well as the lack of even a general
                                    outline of a credible implementation
                                    model with reasonable costs and
                                    manageable rules, I cannot support
                                    the proposal.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks
                                    to all for your consideration of
                                    these personal views.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Philip S. Corwin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Policy Counsel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">VeriSign, Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN">12061
                                        Bluemont Way<br>
                                        Reston, VA 20190</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">703-948-4648/Direct</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">571-342-7489/Cell</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Luck is the residue of
                                          design" -- Branch Rickey</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <div
                                      style="border:none;border-top:solid
                                      #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in
                                      0in 0in">
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                                        Gnso-rpm-sunrise <<a
                                          href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org</a>>
                                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mitch
                                        Stoltz<br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 28,
                                        2019 8:53 PM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b> <a
                                          href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
                                        <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re:
                                        [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion
                                        Thread] Sunrise Q9<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
                                    Claudio,<br>
                                       According to your numbers,
                                    trademark holders have registered
                                    between 105,000 and 140,000 domains
                                    that were never available to
                                    noncommercial users. You and others
                                    suggest that most of these
                                    registrations were “defensive,”
                                    meaning that they were done
                                    primarily to prevent anyone else
                                    from registering those domain names
                                    - not to use them. What’s more,
                                    given the little we know about what
                                    marks are in the TMCH, a great many
                                    of those domain names are either
                                    commons words, or words that are
                                    associated with a product or service
                                    ONLY in particular contexts. This
                                    represents an enormous loss to the
                                    public that will only grow as new
                                    gTLDs roll out.
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    I take issue with your suggestion
                                    that noncommercial users can simply
                                    choose a different domain name that
                                    hasn’t been taken by trademark
                                    holders before public availability.
                                    For a noncommercial user, the
                                    expressive value of a domain name
                                    can be equal to or greater than its
                                    value to a commercial user. A
                                    noncommercial user acting in good
                                    faith should have equal opportunity
                                    to register a domain.
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Yes, rightsholders can choose to
                                    register domains in sunrise based on
                                    their internal calculus about where
                                    "abuse" is likely to happen, but
                                    they are also currently free to act
                                    as though good faith registrations
                                    by noncommercial users are "abuse."
                                    That's a fundamental flaw in the
                                    Sunrise mechanism. At a minimum,
                                    Michael Karanicolas's proposal to
                                    limit sunrise registrations based on
                                    the goods and services actually sold
                                    by the rightsholder would begin to
                                    address this.
                                    <br>
                                       Best,<br>
                                          Mitch<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <pre>Mitch Stoltz<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                  <pre>Senior Staff Attorney, EFF | 415-436-9333 x142<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                  <pre><a href="https://www.eff.org/donate" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.eff.org/donate</a> | <a href="https://act.eff.org/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://act.eff.org/</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
                                      5/22/19 8:46 PM, claudio di gangi
                                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote
                                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">hi
                                      Mitch,
                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Sunrise
                                        registrations have averaged
                                        between 150 and 200 domains per
                                        TLD.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                                        believe there over 700 different
                                        new gTLDs where non-commercial
                                        users can register domains for
                                        non-commercial use.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For
                                        the purposes of
                                        consensus-building, when one
                                        does the math, can you kindly
                                        clarify on how this results with
                                        harms falling disproportionately
                                        on non-commercial registrants
                                        and small business registrants?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In
                                        terms of the orthogonal domains
                                        you mention, registration abuse
                                        that targets a brand can easily
                                        take place in these zones (and
                                        often does take place). Isn’t
                                        this a standing justification,
                                        along within the fact that only
                                        150 to 200 domains are
                                        registered during Sunrise per
                                        TLD, for having Sunrise in place
                                        in to prevent consumer confusion
                                        and harm from taking place?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In
                                        terms of the question of scale
                                        that your mention, I don’t see a
                                        necessary inconsistency that
                                        should raise alarm.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">One
                                        on hand, the brand owner is
                                        making an informed choice about
                                        where to protect their brand,
                                        often because they have been
                                        previously targeted and they
                                        recognize a pattern, or due to
                                        some other implicit connection
                                        with the brand that made not be
                                        readily apparent to an outside
                                        observer on the surface. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But
                                        for the vast majority of cases,
                                        defensive registrations are
                                        based on strategic factors, such
                                        as the likelihood of
                                        infringement in a particular
                                        TLD. I do consider this as
                                        resulting in ex-ante harm to
                                        non-commercial registrants, as
                                        for one reason there are
                                        virtually an unlimited number of
                                        registrations available in
                                        nearly a 1000 gTLDs. To take an
                                        extreme case, even in .com with
                                        nearly 140 million domains
                                        registered, successful domainers
                                        continue to profit and
                                        non-commercial users have
                                        meaningful choices for
                                        expression.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks
                                        in advance for your thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best
                                        regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Claudio<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><br>
                                        <br>
                                        On Wednesday, May 22, 2019,
                                        Mitch Stoltz <<a
                                          href="mailto:mitch@eff.org"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mitch@eff.org</a>>
                                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">This
                                            working group has hit on
                                            numerous problems with the
                                            Sunrise regime, with harms
                                            falling disproportionately
                                            on non-commercial and small
                                            business registrants.
                                            Michael K. has proposed a
                                            narrow solution to one of
                                            these problems, and I think
                                            it deserves serious
                                            consideration.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Quite simply, Sunrise as it
                                            exists is an expansion of
                                            trademark rights. Allowing
                                            priority registration
                                            without regard to the actual
                                            goods and services to which
                                            a mark pertains turns a
                                            trademark from a source
                                            identifier into a global
                                            dominion over a word or
                                            phrase. We have ample
                                            evidence that Sunrise is
                                            being abused in just that
                                            way. Looking beyond obvious
                                            abuses, there is little or
                                            no justification for giving
                                            trademark holders priority
                                            registration in TLDs that
                                            are clearly orthogonal to
                                            any product or service the
                                            mark-holder offers. <br>
                                            <br>
                                            At scale, having that
                                            priority absolutely harms
                                            the free expression rights
                                            of others. To use a simple
                                            example, Apple is a
                                            distinctive trademark in
                                            consumer technology but a
                                            generic word in many other
                                            circumstances. There are any
                                            number of individuals and
                                            organizations who should be
                                            able to express themselves
                                            with a domain name
                                            containing Apple, in ways
                                            that raise no possibility of
                                            trademark infringement or
                                            cybersquatting. All of these
                                            potential users should have
                                            equal opportunity to
                                            register "apple" in new TLDs
                                            that don't raise an
                                            association with technology
                                            products.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Moreover, we need to be
                                            consistent about questions
                                            of scale. If sunrise
                                            registrations are used often
                                            enough to provide benefit to
                                            trademark holders, then they
                                            are also being used often
                                            enough to interfere with the
                                            rights of noncommercial
                                            users. And if they are not
                                            used very much at all, then
                                            we should be jettisoning the
                                            program as unnecessary. If
                                            Sunrise is to continue,
                                            Michael's proposal is a
                                            straightforward way of
                                            making it conform to the
                                            actual legal rights it's
                                            meant to protect.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                          <pre>Mitch Stoltz<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                          <pre>Senior Staff Attorney, EFF | 415-436-9333 x142<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                          <pre><a href="https://www.eff.org/donate" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.eff.org/donate</a> | <a href="https://act.eff.org/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://act.eff.org/</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
                                              5/15/19 8:09 AM, Kathy
                                              Kleiman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p>Hi Phil,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p>As a co-chair, I'm a
                                              little surprised by the
                                              vehemence of the debate.
                                              Many of us are lawyers and
                                              we're used to talking
                                              about important issues in
                                              dispassionate ways. I
                                              think we should do so
                                              here.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p>As an ordinary member, I
                                              participate in these
                                              discussions, as you and
                                              Brian do, and in that
                                              capacity, I note that we
                                              have a problem.  I also
                                              see the seeds of the
                                              solution in your answer
                                              below.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p>In 2009, we foresaw that
                                              there might be gaming of
                                              the Sunrise period --
                                              people registering
                                              trademarks for ordinary
                                              words to get priority
                                              during Sunrise. We now see
                                              it happening. Journalists,
                                              reporters and bloggers
                                              have done the work for us
                                              -- and no one seems
                                              surprised by their
                                              results.  I list some of
                                              the articles we (as a
                                              Subteam) collected below.
                                              Links in our Sunrise
                                              Summary Table under Q9 -
                                              <a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2"
                                                target="_blank"
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https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p>Nothing in the MK
                                              proposal is burdensome, or
                                              unusual. It's
                                              narrowly-tailored (too
                                              narrowly-tailored in my
                                              view) to prevent gaming
                                              and to use systems already
                                              in place. 
                                              <o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p>As you note below, the
                                              cost of the vetting is
                                              part of the process for
                                              many gTLDs and ccTLDs --
                                              whether it is providing
                                              residency in Japan or the
                                              objective standard for
                                              .bank or .insurance or
                                              .attorney or .cpa. It's
                                              already built into our
                                              processes -- and not
                                              burdensome -- and easily
                                              extended to Sunrise.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p>We know there is a misuse
                                              and even abuse of the
                                              Sunrise system. The MK
                                              proposal is an easy fix,
                                              and one that actually
                                              protects and preserves the
                                              balance of rights. We are
                                              being asked to solve
                                              problems -- and this is a
                                              big one.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p>Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p><b>Articles in our
                                                gathering data (links in
                                                Summary Table):</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <p><b>● How one guy games
                                                new gTLD sunrise periods<br>
                                                ● Fake Trademarks
                                                Stealing Generic Domains
                                                In New gTLD Sunrises<br>
                                                ● The Trademark
                                                ClearingHouse Worked So
                                                Well One Company Got 24
                                                new gTLD using The
                                                Famous Trademark “The"<br>
                                                ● How common words like
                                                Pizza, Money, and
                                                Shopping ended up in 
                                                the Trademark
                                                Clearinghouse for new
                                                TLDs<br>
                                                ● The numbers are in!
                                                Donuts sunrises
                                                typically get 100+
                                                domains, but they also
                                                got gamed<br>
                                                ● Digging in on Donuts’
                                                Sunrise: Amazon tops the
                                                list, gaming, and top
                                                registrars<br>
                                                ● .Build Registry Using
                                                Questionable Swiss
                                                Trademark Registration
                                                To Grab “Build” Domains
                                                In Sunrise<br>
                                                ● How Did RetailMeNot
                                                Get 849 .Codes Domains
                                                In Sunrise Without
                                                AnyTrademarks?<br>
                                              </b> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
                                                5/15/2019 10:10 AM,
                                                Corwin, Philip wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kathy:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                                                  presume that these are
                                                  your personal views,
                                                  just as the email I
                                                  posted last week
                                                  raising serious doubts
                                                  about Michael’s
                                                  proposal were clearly
                                                  labeled as personal.
                                                  Likewise, what follows
                                                  is an expression of
                                                  personal views.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Not
                                                  to repeat myself, but
                                                  to the extent there is
                                                  gaming based on weak
                                                  marks it should be a
                                                  focus of discussion
                                                  when we review
                                                  requirements for mark
                                                  recordation in the
                                                  TMCH. But I have seen
                                                  no substantial
                                                  evidence that
                                                  legitimate trademark
                                                  holders are seeking to
                                                  utilize sunrise
                                                  registrations in gTLDs
                                                  other than those for
                                                  which they have a good
                                                  faith belief that
                                                  registration is
                                                  necessary for brand
                                                  protection. Even where
                                                  a sunrise registration
                                                  might arguably be
                                                  abusive, I do not see
                                                  that as placing any
                                                  burden on the speech
                                                  rights of others who
                                                  wish to register a
                                                  domain name that bears
                                                  some resemblance.
                                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                                                  also described why I
                                                  believe adoption of
                                                  this proposal will
                                                  require a costly
                                                  bureaucracy to yield
                                                  reasonably consistent
                                                  applications of what
                                                  will always be a
                                                  subjective standard
                                                  subject to
                                                  interpretation. I do
                                                  not see this as the
                                                  same as the objective
                                                  standard for a .bank
                                                  or .insurance domain
                                                  (where the cost of
                                                  vetting is built into
                                                  the registration fee,
                                                  and the requirement is
                                                  satisfied by
                                                  furnishing a
                                                  certificate evidencing
                                                  that the applicant is
                                                  a regulated
                                                  institution) or even
                                                  ccTLDs, where some
                                                  have objective
                                                  criteria to
                                                  demonstrate being
                                                  domiciled or doing
                                                  business in a
                                                  particular
                                                  jurisdiction. While I
                                                  don’t believe that
                                                  Michael has the
                                                  responsibility to
                                                  provide a full-blown
                                                  implementation scheme,
                                                  I have not yet heard a
                                                  credible explanation
                                                  of how adoption of a
                                                  relationship test will
                                                  be consistently
                                                  administered in a
                                                  cost-effective way.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Finally,
                                                  and more broadly, we
                                                  are in the process of
                                                  considering proposals
                                                  to recommend to the
                                                  full WG for inclusion
                                                  in the Initial Report
                                                  for public comment.
                                                  While that does not
                                                  require a
                                                  demonstration of
                                                  consensus at this
                                                  point, it should
                                                  require some
                                                  reasonably strong
                                                  support within the sub
                                                  team and, following
                                                  that, the WG;  and
                                                  some prospect that the
                                                  proposal can achieve
                                                  consensus down the
                                                  road within the WG
                                                  (for the Final Report)
                                                  and Council. Frankly,
                                                  I don’t see that
                                                  reasonably strong
                                                  support for Michael’s
                                                  proposal within the
                                                  sub team but rather a
                                                  sharp divide over
                                                  whether there is even
                                                  a problem that
                                                  requires addressing.
                                                  And, while I have no
                                                  crystal ball, I feel
                                                  reasonably confident
                                                  that in the end
                                                  contracted parties
                                                  will oppose it for
                                                  administrative and
                                                  cost reasons, among
                                                  others, and that BC
                                                  and IPC members will
                                                  oppose it as putting
                                                  yet another burden on
                                                  sunrise registrations
                                                  – so I don’t see any
                                                  prospect of consensus.
                                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Philip S. Corwin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Policy Counsel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">VeriSign, Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN"><a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=12061+Bluemont+Way+%0D%0A++++++++++++++++Reston,+VA+20190&entry=gmail&source=g"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">12061 Bluemont Way</a><br>
                                                      Reston, VA 20190</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">703-948-4648/Direct</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">571-342-7489/Cell</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Luck is the residue of
                                                        design" --
                                                        Branch Rickey</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                </div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                                                      Gnso-rpm-sunrise
                                                      <a
                                                        href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org></a>
                                                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy
                                                      Kleiman<br>
                                                      <b>Sent:</b>
                                                      Wednesday, May 15,
                                                      2019 9:04 AM<br>
                                                      <b>To:</b> <a
                                                        href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
                                                      <b>Subject:</b>
                                                      [EXTERNAL] Re:
                                                      [Gnso-rpm-sunrise]
                                                      [Discussion
                                                      Thread] Sunrise Q9<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p>I think the
                                                  discussion is an
                                                  important one because
                                                  it is brings up issues
                                                  across categories.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p>a) Michael's proposal
                                                  addresses a problem we
                                                  have found in our
                                                  data-driven analysis.
                                                  There are gamers out
                                                  there who are
                                                  registering trademarks
                                                  in a certain category
                                                  of goods and services,
                                                  and then using them to
                                                  register an array of
                                                  domain names in
                                                  Sunrise having nothing
                                                  at all to do with the
                                                  categories of their
                                                  trademark
                                                  registration.
                                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p>We committed at the
                                                  outset of the RPMs --
                                                  in the 2009 era - that
                                                  we would not be
                                                  expanding trademark
                                                  rights. That's exactly
                                                  what is happening in
                                                  these situations and
                                                  registrations.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p>b) The SDRP is broken
                                                  - barely used because
                                                  the Trademark
                                                  Clearinghouse was
                                                  supposed to be public,
                                                  during implementation
                                                  it was turned private,
                                                  so challengers cannot
                                                  get the information
                                                  they need to
                                                  challenge. Plus, it's
                                                  not the job a
                                                  challenger to police
                                                  the basic principle of
                                                  the entire RPM
                                                  process.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p>Brian, you have
                                                  mentioned your
                                                  "suggested
                                                  improvements to the
                                                  SDRP" from 2 years ago
                                                  several times, but
                                                  that was 1000s of
                                                  emails ago, and we
                                                  worked hard to compile
                                                  the data and solutions
                                                  that we are looking at
                                                  today. Per the rules
                                                  that we agreed to as
                                                  Co-Chairs and as a WG,
                                                  we created a new
                                                  table, atop extensive
                                                  data gathering, and
                                                  things must be
                                                  reintroduced from
                                                  prior to our URS
                                                  break. If you could do
                                                  so, that would be very
                                                  timely.
                                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p>I've suggested
                                                  changes to the SDRP
                                                  that would give
                                                  challengers some
                                                  chance to use it --
                                                  although only for the
                                                  narrow purpose
                                                  intended. The SDRP was
                                                  not intended to solve
                                                  a broad gaming problem
                                                  -- because we did not
                                                  anticipate one. We
                                                  know know it exists;
                                                  and a
                                                  policy/operational fix
                                                  resolves it. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p>c) Michael suggests a
                                                  narrowly tailored
                                                  solution for a gaming
                                                  problem that we now
                                                  know exists. His
                                                  solution is completely
                                                  consistent with how
                                                  registrars, in many of
                                                  these gTLDs, already
                                                  handle General
                                                  Availability (e.g.,
                                                  required proof to
                                                  register in .BANK).
                                                  It's not a new process
                                                  -- just a way to use
                                                  existing process to
                                                  avoid gaming and
                                                  preserve the
                                                  principles we agreed
                                                  to in this process.
                                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p>Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <p>On 5/9/2019 12:04 PM,
                                                  BECKHAM, Brian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <blockquote
                                                  style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Michael,
                                                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
                                                      would personally
                                                      prefer not to get
                                                      into a Google
                                                      search race for
                                                      some kind of
                                                      “exceptions to
                                                      prove the rule”
                                                      and also because <a
href="https://trademark.eu/list-of-classes-with-explanatory-notes/"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">
                                                        “tattoos” is not
                                                        a class of marks</a>,
                                                      but these articles
                                                      could be of
                                                      interest in terms
                                                      of explaining why
                                                      they may seek such
                                                      a defensive
                                                      sunrise
                                                      registration:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
                                                        href="https://www.pinterest.ch/steelephotograp/mini-cooper-tattoos/"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pinterest.ch/steelephotograp/mini-cooper-tattoos/</a>
                                                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://metro.co.uk/2011/01/25/andreas-muller-has-mini-tattooed-on-penis-to-win-car-632961/"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://metro.co.uk/2011/01/25/andreas-muller-has-mini-tattooed-on-penis-to-win-car-632961/</a>
                                                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Also,
                                                      while MINI may not
                                                      make motorcycles,
                                                      their sister
                                                      company BMW does,
                                                      so they could well
                                                      branch out into
                                                      that product area
                                                      (including related
                                                      services).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I have
                                                      already suggested
                                                      improvements to
                                                      the SDRP on
                                                      several occasions,
                                                      going back almost
                                                      2 years now (those
                                                      were apparently
                                                      parked in
                                                      preference of
                                                      various data
                                                      seeking
                                                      exercises), so
                                                      would respectfully
                                                      suggest that
                                                      others take the
                                                      baton from here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As I
                                                      said, I believe
                                                      there is a genuine
                                                      willingness to
                                                      explore such
                                                      solutions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">At the
                                                      same time, it
                                                      seems unlikely
                                                      that the current
                                                      proposal No. 13 is
                                                      likely to garner
                                                      consensus, and
                                                      will defer to the
                                                      Sub Team Co-Chairs
                                                      to address that at
                                                      the level of our
                                                      present
                                                      discussions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
                                                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                                                    Michael Karanicolas
                                                    <a
                                                      href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><mkaranicolas@gmail.com></a>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <b>Sent:</b>
                                                    Thursday, May 9,
                                                    2019 5:50 PM<br>
                                                    <b>To:</b> BECKHAM,
                                                    Brian <a
                                                      href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">
<brian.beckham@wipo.int></a><br>
                                                    <b>Cc:</b> Ariel
                                                    Liang <a
                                                      href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><ariel.liang@icann.org></a>;
                                                    <a
                                                      href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
                                                    <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                    [Gnso-rpm-sunrise]
                                                    [Discussion Thread]
                                                    Sunrise Q9<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Interesting,
                                                      thanks for
                                                      sharing. I checked
                                                      whether Mini made
                                                      motorcycles before
                                                      I sent my proposal
                                                      in... I didn't
                                                      think to check
                                                      whether they made
                                                      regular bicycles!<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      By any chance,
                                                      were you able to
                                                      find any examples
                                                      of the company
                                                      branching into the
                                                      tattoo business as
                                                      well (<a
                                                        href="http://mini.tattoo"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://mini.tattoo</a>)?<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I'm not sure if
                                                      this presents a
                                                      "nuance" in
                                                      trademark classes.
                                                      I don't think it's
                                                      much of a
                                                      revelation that
                                                      "bikes" can refer
                                                      to motorcycles or
                                                      regular bicycles.
                                                      All this
                                                      represents is a
                                                      product line I was
                                                      unaware of. And
                                                      under my proposal,
                                                      all Mini would
                                                      have to do would
                                                      be to include the
                                                      link you provided
                                                      when they register
                                                      the domain under
                                                      sunrise, and that
                                                      should be that.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Personally, I
                                                      don't see how the
                                                      SDRP challenge
                                                      process could be
                                                      retooled to turn
                                                      it into something
                                                      that adequately
                                                      represents the
                                                      interests of
                                                      potential future
                                                      registrants
                                                      without injecting
                                                      massive amounts of
                                                      transparency into
                                                      the sunrise and
                                                      TMCH processes...
                                                      but I would be
                                                      interested to
                                                      hear your thoughts
                                                      as to how this
                                                      might work.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, May
                                                        9, 2019 at 12:38
                                                        PM BECKHAM,
                                                        Brian <<a
                                                          href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>>
                                                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <blockquote
                                                      style="border:none;border-left:solid
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks
                                                          Ariel,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Copying
                                                          here, my full
                                                          email to the
                                                          Sunrise List
                                                          from earlier
                                                          today as it
                                                          relates to
                                                          proposal No.
                                                          13:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks
                                                          Julie,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just
                                                          for fun (as I
                                                          am aware the
                                                          example was
                                                          merely
                                                          anecdotal),
                                                          further to our
                                                          hypothesizing
                                                          last night,
                                                          indeed, MINI
                                                          does have a
                                                          range of
                                                          folding
                                                          bikes:  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/28/new-mini-folding-bike/"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/28/new-mini-folding-bike/</a>
                                                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This
                                                          does however
                                                          illustrate in
                                                          some ways the
                                                          nuance in
                                                          trademark
                                                          classes and
                                                          TLD typology
                                                          that may
                                                          escape
                                                          proposal No.
                                                          13 in its
                                                          current form.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As
                                                          I mentioned on
                                                          our call, I
                                                          believe there
                                                          is a shared
                                                          willingness to
                                                          address the
                                                          issue Michael
                                                          has raised,
                                                          but via the
                                                          SDRP challenge
                                                          process, and
                                                          not via claims
                                                          exclusions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
                                                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
                                                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
Gnso-rpm-sunrise <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org</a>>
                                                          <b>On Behalf
                                                          Of </b>Ariel
                                                          Liang<br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Thursday, May
                                                          9, 2019 5:36
                                                          PM<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org</a><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
[Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q9<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Dear
                                                          Sunrise Sub
                                                          Team members, 
                                                          <o:p>
                                                          </o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">As
                                                          announced,
                                                          this thread is
                                                          being opened
                                                          for final
                                                          mailing list
                                                          discussions
                                                          related to
                                                          <b>Sunrise
                                                          Agreed Charter
                                                          Question 9</b>,
                                                          including <b>Proposal
                                                          #13</b>. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We ask that
                                                          you review
                                                          the <b>Summary
                                                          Table</b> <b>(as
                                                          of 16 April
                                                          2019) </b>and
                                                          provide any
                                                          additional
                                                          input you may
                                                          have to the “<b>proposed
                                                          answers &
                                                          preliminary
                                                          recommendations</b>”
                                                          in relation to
                                                          the Agreed
                                                          Charter
                                                          Question, and consider <b>draft
                                                          answers </b>to
                                                          the following
                                                          questions
                                                          regarding the
                                                          individual
                                                          proposal:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;vertical-align:baseline">
                                                          a. Should the
                                                          Sub Team
                                                          recommend that
                                                          the full WG
                                                          consider
                                                          including this
                                                          Individual
                                                          Proposal in
                                                          the Initial
                                                          Report for the
                                                          solicitation
                                                          of public
                                                          comment?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;vertical-align:baseline">
                                                          b. In light of
                                                          the Individual
                                                          Proposal, are
                                                          any
                                                          modifications
                                                          to the current
                                                          “tentative
                                                          answers &
                                                          preliminary
                                                          recommendations”
                                                          needed?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;vertical-align:baseline">
                                                          c. Should any
                                                          additional Sub
                                                          Team
                                                          recommendations
                                                          be made in
                                                          relation to
                                                          the agreed
                                                          Sunrise
                                                          charter
                                                          question?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Unless
                                                          the Sub Team
                                                          Co-Chairs
                                                          determine
                                                          otherwise,
                                                          this
                                                          discussion
                                                          thread will
                                                          remain open
                                                          until
                                                          <b>23:59 UTC
                                                          on 22 May 2019</b>.
                                                          Comments/input
                                                          provided past
                                                          the closing
                                                          date or
                                                          outside this
                                                          discussion
                                                          thread will
                                                          not be taken
                                                          into account
                                                          when compiling
                                                          the final Sub
                                                          Team member
                                                          input.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
style="background:yellow">Summary Table</span> (Pages 36-40)</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">The
                                                          draft answers,
                                                          preliminary
                                                          recommendations,
                                                          and links to
                                                          the relevant
                                                          individual
                                                          proposals are
                                                          in the latest
                                                          Summary Table
                                                          (as of 16
                                                          April 2019):<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#1155CC">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2</span></a>.
                                                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                                          style="background:yellow">Agreed
                                                          Sunrise
                                                          Charter
                                                          Question 9</span>
                                                          (Page 36)</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The Sub Team
                                                          just discussed
                                                          Agreed Charter
                                                          Question 9 on
                                                          08 May 2019,
                                                          hence the
                                                          proposed
                                                          answers are
                                                          “TBD”. Based
                                                          on the Sub
                                                          Team’s
                                                          discussions,
                                                          the transcript
                                                          and notes,
                                                          staff will
                                                          provide
                                                          update. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><br>
                                                          Q9 In light of
                                                          the evidence
                                                          gathered
                                                          above, should
                                                          the scope of
                                                          Sunrise
                                                          Registrations
                                                          be limited to
                                                          the categories
                                                          of goods and
                                                          services for
                                                          which?  </i><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><u>Proposed
                                                          Answer</u>:
                                                          </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
style="background:yellow">Individual Proposal</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">The
                                                          Sub Team just
                                                          discussed the
                                                          Proposal #13
                                                          on 08 May
                                                          2019, hence
                                                          there is no
                                                          draft answer
                                                          currently on
                                                          the Summary
                                                          Table (as of
                                                          16 April
                                                          2019). Based
                                                          on the Sub
                                                          Team’s discussions,
                                                          the transcript
                                                          and notes,
                                                          staff will
                                                          provide.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">Link
                                                          to the
                                                          individual
                                                          proposal is
                                                          included
                                                          below. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
                                                          <b>Proposal
                                                          #13</b>: <a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%2313.pdf?api=v2"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%2313.pdf?api=v2</a>
                                                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                                          style="background:yellow">Where
                                                          to Find All
                                                          Discussion
                                                          Threads</span>
                                                          </b><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Access the
                                                          Documents wiki
                                                          page and find
                                                          the opening
                                                          messages of
                                                          the all
                                                          discussion
                                                          threads in the
                                                          table
                                                          (highlighted
                                                          in green):
                                                          <a
                                                          href="https://community.icann.org/x/_oIWBg"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/x/_oIWBg</a>
                                                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
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                                                          <p
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Mary, Julie,
                                                          Ariel<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
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