<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://1592/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">Hi Everyone:</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "> </div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">I will go first on this. (I was hoping others might write before me since I joined this group in the last couple weeks and haven't been present for all the discussion that led up to the questions.) </div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">I recommend that we do not send these questions without some additional discussion. (As I will state several times in this email, my opinions might come from a set of misunderstandings as a result from not attending the first two meetings.) My concern is that we will get very few chances t consult with the TMCH in this process and the questions should be as complete and detailed as possible so that we get the information we want. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">_________________</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">To me the questions: (1) seem vague and (2) I don't understand why we are asking these particular questions.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">(1) With respect to vague:</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">Overall: Are the questions to Deloitte, to IBM or to both? I assume the questions would be reworded: taking words such as "they" out and replacing it with the addressee. I think we should draft the questions as they would go out before agreeing to send them. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">Question 1) Does the first question ask for the Deloitte monthly reports to ICANN? All of them? I don't know what "as updated" means. (This is an area where the others on this list understand the context and I do not. However, if I don't understand it, Deloitte is likely to not understand it also.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">Question 2) The way this is worded comes across somewhat like a fishing expedition. Do we mean usage by trademark holders? Their usage of Sunrise? or Claims? Does it mean usage by registrars who might be mining the data? Is it the registrar use of data? The report from the previous meeting that David attached to his email contains several pointed questions that might yeld more meaning full results. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">Question 3) Again, I don't understand who "private groups" are and everyone else on this list might. Are we specifically targeting registries?</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">(2) With respect to "why":</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">Putting myself in the TMCK's shoes, I think when we ask the TMCH (Deloitte or IBM) questions, I think we should tell them why we are asking. That could be in the form of the chartering questions to which we seek answers. That way, if they don't have the precise data available, they might be able to develop a different data set that answers our question. Sharing our issues with the TMCH would serve to make them more of a partner in developing improvements rather than put them in the position where they are blindly answering questions and no sharing the wisdom they have gained.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">__________________</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">To me, we should look at the charter questions, which I understand to be here:</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2016-07-15+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+-TMCH+sub+team?preview=/60491680/60491683/15.7%20Scoping%20Document%20for%20TMCH%20Sub%20Team.pdf">https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2016-07-15+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+-TMCH+sub+team?preview=/60491680/60491683/15.7%20Scoping%20Document%20for%20TMCH%20Sub%20Team.pdf</a></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">and from that develop the data set that would help to answer them and ask the TMCH parties for that data. We might work with the TMCH collaboratively to help us define and obtain the data we seek. (This work might have happened already.)</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">___________________</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">I know this is pretty extensive work and I am not sure how best to go about it. And as I said, this work might have taken place in earlier meetings with the group. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">First, I'd be pleased to hear with some more detail how we arrived at these questions. i don't think the effort would be wasted because we will want to tell the TMCH parties the same thing. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">If we wanted to pursue my line of thinking, we could have a meeting with the clearing house and go thru the charter questions accompanied by our ideas of what data is needed and they can tell us if that data can be obtained. We would probably need two prep meetings to get ready for the meeting with Deloitte and IBM. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">Best regards to everyone,</div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; "><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="font-family: Arial, verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; widows: 1; ">Kurt</div><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On Aug 3, 2016, at 3:37 PM, David Tait <<a href="mailto:david.tait@icann.org">david.tait@icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Dear TMCH sub-team participants<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">As we have not received any comments on the previously circulated questions staff would propose to send these on to the TMCH providers tomorrow. Please do let us know in the event that you have any proposals or amendments to make.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">David<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><b><span style="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="">David Tait <<a href="mailto:david.tait@icann.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">david.tait@icann.org</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, 2 August 2016 at 09:40<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-tmch@icann.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">gnso-rpm-tmch@icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Antonietta Mangiacotti <<a href="mailto:antonietta.mangiacotti@icann.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">antonietta.mangiacotti@icann.org</a>>, Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Follow from meeting with Analysis Team<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Dear TMCH sub-team participants</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Staff are seeking your authorization and guidance on a number of follow-up actions arising from our call on 29 July 2016 with the Analysis team.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">We would propose to send the following questions to the TMCH provider (these are based on notes from the last two calls):</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span>1.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Can they provide the Deloitte monthly reports as updated?</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span>2.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">What other types of information (presumably aggregated) can they provide about usage of the TMCH? (Please note: Should the sub-team believe this question should be refined/made more specific I would refer you to the Appendix of TMCH Scoping document– I attach an updated version – which may assist you in suggesting specific language)</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span>3.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Are they able to tell us how many private users are using the TMCH, particularly registries, and for what additional purposes?</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Should it be of assistance the transcript and recording of the call with the Analysis Group are available at:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/eQ2bAw" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">https://community.icann.org/x/eQ2bAw</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Staff are also seeking your instructions as to what next steps the sub-team wishes to take following the call with Greg and Stacey last week (for ease of reference please find the notes from the WG meeting attached). We would be grateful if you could please identify which items you would like us to follow-up on and with whom.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Finally, we would ask whether you believe you will be in a position to provide a preliminary report to the full WG, say in two weeks’ time (on 10 August) and a subsequent one two weeks after that. Staff would further note that based on the consensus regarding these reporting deadlines within the sub-team, the overall timeline may need to be adjusted for the Work Plan.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">We look forward to receiving your direction.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">David</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial; ">David A. Tait</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial; ">Policy Specialist (Solicitor qualified in Scotland)</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial; ">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial; ">Mobile: + 44-7864-793776</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial; ">Email: <a href="mailto:david.tait@icann.org">david.tait@icann.org</a> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial; "><a href="http://www.icann.org">www.icann.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Gnso-rpm-tmch mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gnso-rpm-tmch@icann.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">Gnso-rpm-tmch@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-tmch" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; ">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-tmch</a></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>