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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the attendance, MP3 recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) TMCH Sub Team call held on Friday, 19 August 2016 at 15:00 UTC. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the Sub Team wiki page:</span></p>
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<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/XgusAw"><font face="Calibri">https://community.icann.org/x/XgusAw</font></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Edward Morris</font></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mailing list archives: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-tmch/" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-tmch/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Main RPM Wiki page: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/rhiOAw" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);">https://community.icann.org/x/rhiOAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat </span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">transcript for 19 August 2016:</span></u></b></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the RPM TMCH Sub team meeting on Friday, 19 August 2016 at 15:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Tait:michelle, if I email you a document would you be kind enough to upload it to the room?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Tait:I'm having some trouble. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Lets see if the email sent last week gets additional attendees :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:absolutely!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Tait:Thanks!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:I will watch for it </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:Hi All!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Hi everyone! I didn't get a calendar entry for this week's call so had to rely on memory. Did anyone else miss the appointment?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:I only ask because I fear that would reduce participation if it's simply not on people's calendars.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Tait:The links for today's call <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/61606228/TABULAR%20SUMMARY%20OF%20TMCH%20DATA%20">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/61606228/TABULAR%20SUMMARY%20OF%20TMCH%20DATA%20</a>–%20updated%2016%20August%202016.docx?version=2&modificationDate=1471367325000&api=v2
and<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/61606228/Action%20Items%20%26%20Suggestions%20from%20Sub%20Team%20call%20-%2012%20August.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1471364768000&api=v2">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/61606228/Action%20Items%20%26%20Suggestions%20from%20Sub%20Team%20call%20-%2012%20August.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1471364768000&api=v2</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan payne:I don't think I got a calendar invite either Kristine, although I did get David's emails with agenda etc</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, I got the agenda emails as well.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Hello all. Apologies for being a few minutes late.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Hi Phil</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Thanks David, sounds good.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:We tried to use time intervals that would be consistent yet useful - and as mentioned, this is all information from the TMCH and available ont their website</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Jeff, that's a good point - the TMCH says "marks submitted" but not "labels or SMD files generated"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan payne:yep</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan payne:I think that would be based on the tm registraion</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan payne:ie it could be UK, could be pan-EU depending on the mark</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, Jeff, that's my recollection.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:That is our understanding as well</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:I think Mary and David are doing a great job compiling data;</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:and we are doing a good job raising the initial set of questions - to help the WG.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Good point susan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Susan, that is what we assumed as well</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Hence "jurisditions" vs "countries"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:These are all direct quotes from the AG Draft Report</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Kristine, we note that the AG was careful to use the phrasing "predominantly located"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, me too!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Staff--Iam trying t download this document and am getting a message that the download path is invaid. Has this been circulated to subgroup members in this form? Thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Question is - purpose for which we might want to know the HQ/breakdown for</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Tait:Phil, it has been but I will email the documents to you again for ease of access</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:Susan - it's a great point... and a question I think we all had</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan payne:thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan payne:thanks David</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:So you would be spending the week looking for the information in the Notes section and then update the doc with that (or note it it's unavailable for later survey purposes?)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Kristine, that was our idea ... but open to new directions!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:I like it. I think we keep filling this in until we hit a wall</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Tait:Sorry Susan you cut out there could you repeat that or type it in the chat?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan payne:I agree Mary, it may be too granular to be able to gather</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Would be useful to invite Donuts to talk to us? They can always just say no.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan payne:I definitely think we want to try to gather info about numbers of DPMLs. Just not sure if we'd be able to drill down particularly accurately on impact on sunrise registrations</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:Can Staff reach out first?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan payne:I'm just going to log out and back in again as I ahve interference</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, that would be one of the questions we would ask Donuts, no?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan:pretty sure not public :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Me too</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:We have not found anything specifif about TMs/Labels using the DPML through a public search</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:tend to agree with kathy. we should get a better idea of what Donuts has and is willing to share prior to a call to make the call maximally productive. even if they don't have or won't share data,
we need to formulate relevant questions or discussion topics in advance</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:This is the only info for DPML: <a href="http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-overview">http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-overview</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Jeff, yep</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:Tx Kristine, that makes sense!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:In that case, I;m with Phil</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:Let's due some more due dililgence first</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:and then invite them on in a few weeks....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:(Donuts)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Here is the patent application: <a href="http://domainnamewire.com/wp-content/dpml-patent.pdf">http://domainnamewire.com/wp-content/dpml-patent.pdf</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Mary, you're breaking up</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Breaking up badly, mary</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:What dilligence Kathy?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:can't hear you at all now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Sorry</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Was just asking what other due diligence staff can do at this point since there is no further public info we could find</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Thanks, we got that Mary.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:On the "future questions list" lets add: investigate all the private RPMs that are triggered off the TMCH</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, we haven't found anything public about that. Perhaps registires internally haeve that info.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:Good path forward, Kristine!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Donuts, Rightside and Mights and Machines</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Minds and Machines</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan:great, good suggestion Kristine</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Jeff, would you suggest us approaching those three registries and ask them to get on a call with us to find out what they are able to share, in a few weeks?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Edward Morris:+1 Kristine</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Support that way forward</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:On that note, I have to jump off and will follow up with the last few minutes later. Thanks everyone for another productive call.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@kathy, this was from the Staff RPM Paper</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Note also the Staff Notes at the bottom of the page - we tried, on instruction from the Sub Team last week, to find blogs, comments etc on developing country outreach but came up with almost none</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Yes there were webinars by the TMCH</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Note that this - outreach, developing countries - is something that is being scoped by other projects e.g. CCT-RT</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:So we need to be careful not to duplicate efforts elsewhere</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Jeff, is this a general topic that New gTLD PDP is looking at? Since outreach to registrants may be something that is broader than the RPM Review remit.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Susan, our understanding is that what's in the final staff paper is the corrected info</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Plus the latest figures would be what the AG has in their report</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Good point, Susan - that's why the AG figures are the most up to date, though they don't use raw numbers</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:I'm not sure ICANN could go back and fix the Drafr Report numbers TBH</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan:ok, I need to remind myself what's in the AG report</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Susan, all - would it be worth asking the AG for the raw numbers from which they got thei 94%?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan:yes!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:OK</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, note the AG caution about reading coorelation/causation of non-registration as a result of Claims Notices.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:Tx you asking the Analysis Group these questions!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:@Susan, that's a good point.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:This materials is very useful - great tx to David and Mary!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:If registries inappropriately used TMCH data to set premium prices they may have violated their separate contractual agreement with TMCH. Isn't that an issue for Compliance? But agree we don't wont
to spook them if they have data useful to us.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan:shall we all endeavour to circulate feedback by email on the questions so we can try to progress</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:That would be super helpful</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:esp since we don't know there will be much update to this data doc by next Fri</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:@David, did you say that you were going to iterate on the questions this week? Or that you were going to send them out?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:so we meet again next week same time?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, per Susan, we will recirculate the questions document for feedback</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Phil, yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:thx Mary/bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan:lovely, thanks all. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> susan:epecially David and mary</div>
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