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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) <b><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Sub
Team for </span>Trademark Claims </b>call held on Friday, 28 April 2017 at 16:00 UTC<b>. </b>Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/LdnRAw" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">https://community.icann.org/x/LdnRAw</a></p>
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<b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">MP3: </span></b><a href=" https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-trademark-claims-28apr17-en.mp3" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-trademark-claims-28apr17-en.mp3</a></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mailing list archives:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-trademark/" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);"><span style="color: rgb(59, 115, 175); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-trademark/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for 28 April 2017:</span></u></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Bisland:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Trademark Claims Friday, 28 April 2017 at 16:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Bisland:Agenda Wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_LdnRAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=HIPg9XNSTbCo0pQpSUqLHNGO6j3Gng1RgrSIHIsUoSI&s=5krQddGH11tDU2Lsyr4RDqL77vMiunpPJAdfp64nQvI&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_LdnRAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=HIPg9XNSTbCo0pQpSUqLHNGO6j3Gng1RgrSIHIsUoSI&s=5krQddGH11tDU2Lsyr4RDqL77vMiunpPJAdfp64nQvI&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael R Graham:Morning!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Hi all. Awaiting operator</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:On audio now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael R Graham:Sorry -- dropped audio -- calling back in</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael R Graham:Back</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:sorry for joining late</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Kristine Dorrain had a few comments on this batched section; I'm happy to raise them at the appropriate time</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:Do you mind me asking, are we taking the same approach as for the Sunrise sub - ie edits will be presented as notes rather than actually replacing charter Q text/ deleting/adding new Qs etc?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael R Graham:Apologies -- off again -- changing phone. Mary -- Could you assist?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael R Graham:Back -- and I will keep hands away from phone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:Tx Mary, that's my recollection as well.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Scott Austin:Has the "intended effect" been defined or is that expressed somewhere previously?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Susan, we can take whichever approach the Sub Team feels is appropriate. From the staff perspective, it appears that there may be a need (agreement) for more extensive rewording of the Claims questions
(at this point anyway).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Scott, we also have WG members who were on the IRT and STI, so taht will probably be helpful when the WG comes to discuss this.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Scott Austin:Or at least tie it to the historic documents that support intended effect, as without a specific reference there may be many interpretatons of "intent" and uninended effect is tied to that meaning</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Scott Austin:@Susan impeccable logic</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:How about changing "the" to "its"?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:I understand now - I think if we look at the general Q in conjunction with the specific Qs we are clear what we are asking</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Generally speaking, I think the intended effect of the TM Claims Notice was to deter intentionally infringing (as in cybersquattting) domain registrations. And the main unintended effect is to deter
and cause abandonment of substantial numbers of registrations that were neither intended to infringe on TM rights or that would have constituted bad faith registratio and use if completed. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, hence the "or" in the general question, and the fact that the phrase "chilling effects" (which is narrower than "unintended") is in the specific questions, not the general.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Susan, yes, that's exactly what we tried to capture.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Justine Chew:Don't we need to ask what are the unintended in the minds of the person answering the question?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Justine Chew:*unintended consequences</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Justine Chew:Wasn't there a point about the language of the notice as well?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Justine, I think that's what Kathy's new suggested question is supposed to address.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:I agree that we need somethiing about redrafting the notice - I think that clearly is relevant mitigating to "chilling effect" so it should be a specific Q in this section</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:What type of data gathering do we need for these questions?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:I think we are all in the same place- feel free to move the new question up to the top! </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, Kristine also raised the point about data - especially how are we to get it?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:@Mary: good question.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:I think we should discuss... </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:What sources other than the Analysis Group are available to us?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:What data might IBM, the registrars and the registries have?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Kristine's observation on data was: "What is the best way to get this data? I think any data would be voluntary and anecdotal. It might be useful to know if the 90-whatever abandonment rate varied over
time. More/fewer abandonments early in GA or later?"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Justine Chew:It's about the language of the notice</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Michael -- I feel your pain ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Analysis Group said the data cannot be relied on for specific conclusions.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Well a 94% abandonment rate sure shows a lot more detrrent effect than a 9.4% rate would have shown.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:how are we going to do that Rebecca? who is going to do it and who is going to pay for it? Registrars were asked and they would not provide any information</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Phil, I think one point the Analysis Group noted is that even if there is a deerrent effect, it is impossible to tell if it is deterring good faith registrants or cybersquatters, and how many of each.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rebecca L Tushnet:There is a process for requesting funding from ICANN, which Mary has circulated a few times.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rebecca L Tushnet:It is also possible that I can get funding for some consumer research as part of my research.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:@Mary -- I think that's what I just said on the call</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:PDP WG research projects are key!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Phil, yes, sorry I ended up repeating more of what you said than I'd intended</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Does this group want to meet next week?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy:Tx Michael for chairing!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Next meeting - next Friday, same time?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Yup</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:ciao/have a great weekend</div>
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