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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) <b>Sub Team
for Trademark Claims </b>call held on Friday, 02 June 2017 at 16:00 UTC<b>. </b>Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: </span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">MP3: </span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><a href="https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-trademark-claims-02jun17-en.mp3" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-trademark-claims-02jun17-en.mp3</a></p>
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<span class="MsoHyperlink"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect recording: </span></b></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p9hpjty9z6w/" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">https://participate.icann.org/p9hpjty9z6w/</a></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=uJfJWoN7nxtNa6oyzJ-EGnX5Vn7vlD7tkbLQQSpAl78&s=09-hpj8Vqv3vLuehnnGTKpwOQd0nwvWvHRepgXr0-xk&e=" style="color: purple;"><u><span style="color: blue;">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</span></u>[gnso.icann.org]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mailing list archives: </span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-trademark/" style="color: purple;"><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(46, 117, 182); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-trademark/</span></u></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Wiki page: </span><o:p></o:p><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/gDHwAw" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">https://community.icann.org/x/gDHwAw</a></p>
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<b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for 02</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> June</span></u></b><b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> 2017:</span></u></b><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection MechanismsSub Team for Trademark Claims call on Friday, 2 June 2017 at 16:00 UTC for 60-minute duration.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting agenda page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_gDHwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=ERW95kw0KHcjtqgfgPPlRCcmToBC8LjbIw5wZwRmqAA&s=ZW-EDEaAOMUfWlne3OvHe1FA1joumGuWyCV6zVMrTq0&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_gDHwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=ERW95kw0KHcjtqgfgPPlRCcmToBC8LjbIw5wZwRmqAA&s=ZW-EDEaAOMUfWlne3OvHe1FA1joumGuWyCV6zVMrTq0&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Michelle.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon:Mary and Amr, Michael is under the weather today so I will be chairing in his place.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon:(and Michelle)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter::) Thank you Kristine - this is noted </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Kristine, and sorry to hear about Michael.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:The Barca Plague, I believe, is the popular term this week :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon:<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/13u5h6Wh6QUqW0vzT5q0zCTEmjMQ8_iCat6ZehLHQC7Q/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/13u5h6Wh6QUqW0vzT5q0zCTEmjMQ8_iCat6ZehLHQC7Q/edit</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Susan, thanks and yes, that's right. Zero responses despite several reminders.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Roger, thank you for sharing. QUESTION - is there some way (e.g. trusted third party) that registrars would feel comfortable providing generalized data to, who can then compile it as a full anonymized
list? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Roger Carney:That is fairly deep analsys as well</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Some of the basic information is in the TMCH Requirements and Functional Specs, though of course each registrar differs in its actual timing/practice to some extent, e.g. "The<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span>Claims<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Notice<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span>MUST<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>be<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span>provided<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> by<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span> the<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> registrar at<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span> the<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> time<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span> of<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> potential<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span>registration<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>
in<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> real<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span> time, without<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>
cost<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> to<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span> the<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> prospective<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span>domain<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>name<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span>registrant,<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>
and<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>MUST<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span>be<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>in<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span>the<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>form<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span>specified<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>in<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span> the<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> Claims<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
</span> Notice<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> Form."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Its also very possible that some registrars checked against the TMCH never intending to register the names...but rather to just figure out what was in the database</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kiran Malancharuvil:+1 Jeff. Possible and likely. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Jeff and Kiran: Yes, and this was noted in the AG report.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kiran Malancharuvil:I might have misinterpreted what Rebecca said, but I would object to the characterizaiton of the benefits of the claims notices as "marginal" if that's what she said. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Roger Carney:@Jeff, I think that was one of the conclusions from IBM</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Plus, there is a difference between abandonment where registrants said they did not want to proceed and where registrants said nothing but just closed their browser....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rebecca L Tushnet:No, my point was the effect of the notice is the marginal difference in abandonment rate between (group that got a notice) and (group that didn't get a notice)--you could say "net" instead of marginal
if you prefer.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Its why I just believe focusing on the abandonment rate at this point is a wild goose chase.....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:For the next application window (if there is claims), we can see if registrants are willing to take surveys on why they did or did not proceed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:until then, I am not sure we can or should give too much of an emphasis on abandonment</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rebecca L Tushnet:That's not what I said.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rebecca L Tushnet:If you're going to read out comments, please read the whole.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon:Apologies...I was skimming. will update</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Jeff, we will check and see what we can find</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rebecca L Tushnet:Thank you.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Jeff that trying to come up with a definitive reason for abandonment is a wild goose chase. I'll go further and say... Trying to prescribe motive for the purpose of policy development
is dangerous. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kiran Malancharuvil:Look at cart abandonment in online stores.... it's a mystery for the ages </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rebecca L Tushnet:That's why we often use net in A v. B testing.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rebecca L Tushnet:Got a notice/didn't get a notice isn't a perfect control, but it is more information.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Roger Carney:@Phil, deter bad actors and educate everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Did the TMCH measure abandonment rates measured by registrar? I cant recall</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Jeff: They did, and excluded a few registrars that were performing bulk downloads of trademark records, which ultimately did not make a significant difference in their (AG) findings</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Why this matters is that some registrars did not offer registrations during the claims period. That does not mean that they did not have access to the TMCH. Thus, their abandonment rate could be 100%
or close to them</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Jeff: The registrars were obviously not identified in the report, but the AG has access to this raw data as part of the "unique" downloads from the TMCH database..., unique being a specific TM record
downloaded by a specific registrar with a specific timestamp.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Can they provide that data to us in an anonymized format.....so, instead of saying "GoDaddy", it would say Registrar "A" "B", "C", etc.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Just percentages...not raw numbers</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Didn't AG do some of this comparison (registrations that were then subject to UDRP/URS proceeedings) in their report?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Apologies to all if I'm falling behind on notes. Will listen to the recording to complete them.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:If I'm not mistaken, last week Michael indicated that an analysis of this would be done somewhere over the summer?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:sorry what Q are we onm</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:I mean data on UDRP/URS cases/decisions (2d)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Susan: 2.d.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon:Susan: Left column 2, second column (d) </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:and can you unsynch the doc please as it keeps jumping about </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:It isn't synched. You should be able to scroll on your end.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:ok thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon:Amr, I think Michael was hoping for an academic or a firm intern to be offered. :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Offered by and to who? :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:I'm curious, so will ask him. :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:sounds sensible </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:thanks Kristine</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.</div>
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