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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review
of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) <b>Sub Team for Trademark Claims </b>call held on Friday, 09 June 2017 at 16:00 UTC<b>. </b>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#111111"><a href="https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-trademark-claims-09jun17-en.mp3"><span style="color:windowtext">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-trademark-claims-09jun17-en.mp3</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Adobe Connect chat transcript for 09</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">June 2017:</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle DeSmyter: Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sub Team for Trademark Claims on Friday, 09 June 2017 at
16:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Is this slide new? I like it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Or maybe I just never join on time.... :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle DeSmyter:It is! :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Shatan:More broadly, to Rebecca's point, any survey should be designed to be as "valid" as possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Rebecca Tushnet:I think that kind of thing is what a good internet panel from an existing survey company can do: ID registrants not at the stage of actually
registering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I agree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Rebecca Tushnet:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kathy:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Shatan:Agree. SurveyCo needs a "client."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Rebecca Tushnet:Kathy asked my question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Shatan:We should see if putting the notice in Comic Sans has any effect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Shatan:Sounds like a Supergroup!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:STRAW PROPOSAL FOR Q4 REWRITE: Should the marks in the TMCH be used to generate non-exact matches for the purpose
of providing a broader range of claims notices? If so, how? And how should the claims notices be written?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Shatan:I didn't think it was the role of the subgroup to answer the first question, as drafted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:The Sub Team may need an additional call to get this work done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:The proposals are ready to be loaded in the AC room, if folks would like to take a look.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:If I recall correctly, question 4 was initially drafted assuming that non-exact matches would either be included in the TMCH, or may generate Claims
Notices. Additional questions may be required for the full WG to address the three proposals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Shatan:QUESTION: In order to assist the WG in analyzing the proposal for non-exact matches, the following data would be helpful:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Shatan:That's all I've got for the moment. More to show the approach than anything else.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Shatan:Populating the list is a separate task.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Rebecca Tushnet:Is it really a charter question at this point?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kathy:In light of the evidence of the TM Claims gathered in Questions 1-3 above, how extensive is the need for non-exact matches? What is the proof of harm
under the existing system? What unintended consequences might non-exact matches have? What is the appropriate balance going forward? a.<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>If non-exact matches are not adopted, then no further action is necessary.b.<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>If non-exact matches of some form are adopted, should the marks in the TMCH be used to generate non-exact matches for the purpose of providing a broader range of claims notices? If so, how should the claims notices be written?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Philip Corwin:To amplify the point I made verbally, "Google" consists of three letters in the center horizontal row of a Qwerty keyboard (G x2, L) and three
letters in the top row (Ox2, E). The first three have 6 possible far finger variations, while the latter three have 4. So that totals 30 potential fat finger variations of Google that could generate claims notices (or at least registration notices to the TM
holder) if we adopt that suggested non-exact match. Neither Greg or anyone else has suggested that those 30 typo-varations should go into the TMCH database; rather, as I understand it, they would exist in a second database and all attempted domain registrations
would be tested against both the TMCH and that second database.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Philip Corwin:As to whether or not 30 additional variations that could generate a Claims Notice is a "dramatic" increase, that is a subjective judgment on
which opinions may differ ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Shatan:How many of those variations are likely to be applied for?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Following up on Kathy's proposed question, would the Sub Team like to draft questions that address each of the variations listed in the proposals
+ data requirements? Is that necessary?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Rebecca Tushnet:In terms of Phil's comment, maybe this shows the importance of breaking out the data on each proposed addition: are fat finger typos a significant
problem v. true negatives, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Rebecca Tushnet:So Kathy's proposal, applied to each type of change<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Apologies. Was dropped off the call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Philip Corwin:@Greg--I have no idea how many of those potential variations would be regarded as useful by a prospective cybersquatter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kathy:+1 Kristine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kathy:That's exactly it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Shatan:A cybersquatter might find them all useful, as fat-finger typos. The question is how many of these variations are likely to be applied for by
an applicant with a legitimate purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kathy:To clarify for chat, as Kristine in the discussion, the following is a proposal for Questions 4: In light of the evidence of the TM Claims gathered
in Questions 1-3 above, how extensive is the need for non-exact matches? What is the proof of harm under the existing system? What unintended consequences might non-exact matches have? What is the appropriate balance going forward? a.<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>If non-exact matches are not adopted, then no further action is necessary.b.<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>If non-exact matches of some form are adopted, should the marks in the TMCH be used to generate non-exact matches for the purpose of providing a broader range of claims notices? If so, how should the claims notices be written?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Back on the call now. Apologies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Will listen to the recording to see what I missed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Philip Corwin:@Greg--I don't know. We'd have to run each variation and guess which might be the basis for a legitimate registration. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Philip Corwin:But are intentional cybersquatters deterred by recipt of a claims notice?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kathy:Tx for a great call!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Philip Corwin:Especially for 49 cent domains?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Louise Marie Hurel:Thanks all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Philip Corwin:Bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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