<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Apologies for not attending as well. Other duties called.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Mary Wong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Michael – all the credit should go to Kristine, who presented the report and the Sub Team’s thinking behind our recommendations very clearly and yet concisely!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Staff will be posting the action items from the call to the Working Group mailing list shortly, to include a reminder for Working Group members to weigh in with comments and questions. We hope that Sub Team members will be able to provide
answers to any questions that may be raised. As the updated questions and data collection suggestions will be on the Working Group’s agenda for next week at ICANN59, we also hope that Sub Team members who are not able to be present in Johannesburg can nevertheless
join the meeting remotely.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks and cheers<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mary<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"Michael Graham (ELCA)" <<a href="mailto:migraham@expedia.com" target="_blank">migraham@expedia.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 15:11<br>
<b>To: </b>Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>>, Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com" target="_blank">justine.chew@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Ext] RE: [Gnso-rpm-trademark] Trademark Claims Updated Table<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Mary:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">My apologies for missing the full meeting this morning – though I am confident you and Amr would have been able to present the sub team’s revised questions and comments admirably.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I will review the mp3 and transcript, but please let me know if any questions were raised that I should address.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Thanks again for your great work.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Michael R.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><b>From:</b> Mary Wong [mailto:<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:02 PM<br>
</span><b>To:</b> Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com" target="_blank">justine.chew@gmail.com</a>>; Michael Graham (ELCA) <<a href="mailto:migraham@expedia.com" target="_blank">migraham@expedia.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a><span class=""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-trademark] Trademark Claims Updated Table<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Michael and Justine,<u></u><u></u></p><span class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the comments. Staff will clean up the formatting of the table, as updated by Michael, and send it to the Working Group list. As there are still some questions and comments in the table that may require further discussion,
our expectation is that, in going through the table and in reporting on the Sub Team’s work to the full Working Group, Kristine and Michael will explain the context and possible directions for these. Of course, as mentioned previously, all Sub Team members
will be able to also provide their comments during the Working Group’s discussion of the table.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You will see from the Working Group co-chairs’ proposed agenda for the 3-hour Working Group meeting at ICANN59 that this Sub Team’s report, as well as that from the Sunrise Sub Team, will be the subject of discussion there as well so there
should be ample opportunity for a full review of our work.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks and cheers<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mary<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>> on behalf of Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com" target="_blank">justine.chew@gmail.com</a>><span class=""><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 00:25<br>
</span><span class=""><b>To: </b>"Michael Graham (ELCA)" <<a href="mailto:migraham@expedia.com" target="_blank">migraham@expedia.com</a>><br>
</span><b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a>><span class=""><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-rpm-trademark] Trademark Claims Updated Table</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Michael,<br>
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Thanks for your revised redline version -- this has addressed all the 3 questions I posed to Amr in an earlier reply to his call for checking/input (so Amr, there's no longer a need to reply to me now)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I am in agreement with the wordings of the Updated Questions (per column 2) in your copy.
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">While I don't have any major concerns to your amendments to the Data Available / Collection Needed (per column 4) I don't necessarily think there is a need to combine certain points since my understanding is that some
of them are points gleaned from the AG revised report for the sub team's reference.<br>
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I had one last question for the sub team: in the event the non-exact matches expansion goes ahead, would we be in a position to suggest what post-implementation data needs to be captured in order to help better inform a future review group? </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Justine Chew <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 21 June 2017 at 11:50, Michael Graham (ELCA) <<a href="mailto:migraham@expedia.com" target="_blank">migraham@expedia.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I attach the redlined version of the Trademark Claims Charter Questions with my comments and proposed revisions. I agree with Kristine’s Question 4
draft – great work!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Michael R.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-trademark-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Amr Elsadr<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 20, 2017 6:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-rpm-trademark] Trademark Claims Updated Table<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Sub Team Members,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attached are two copies (redline and clean) of the latest version of the Sub Team table with updated questions and data requirements as per the Sub Team call on Friday, 16 June.
The changes made since Friday are as follows:<u></u><u></u></p>
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All mentions of “users” and “potential registrants” have been replaced with “domain name applicants”.
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A footnote has been added explaining that the term “domain name applicant” is not meant to ascribe any intent on the applicant’s part<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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The 4<sup>th</sup> bulleted question for registrars in the data column adjacent to question 1 has been deleted. This question previously read:
<i>“Please share an overview of how the general registrar processes leading up to Claims Notices and checkout processes work (during pre-order, general availability and after Claims period has expired)”</i>. During the last Sub Team call, members expressed
views that registrars are unlikely to agree to share this information. It was also agreed that the most important datum being sought in this question is the point in the registration process in which a Trademark Record is downloaded by a registrar, in response
to an attempted registration matching a registration in the TMCH. This is still covered by bulleted question 3.<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in">
The last bulleted question was edited to enquire on the feasibility of registrars conducting surveys of domain name applicants, instead of enquiring on the willingness of registrants to conduct surveys<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in">
Question 4, and its data requirements, have been reworded by Kristine based on the discussion of the 5 suggested rewordings (also attached) offered by Kathy Kleiman, Kristine Dorrain, Rebecca Tushnet, Justine Chew and Greg Shatan, as well as the subsequent
discussion that took place.<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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</span><p class="MsoNormal">Please take some time today to review the changes made. You will find them both in the attached documents, as well as on the google doc
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_13u5h6Wh6QUqW0vzT5q0zCTEmjMQ8-5FiCat6ZehLHQC7Q_edit&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=kHTpXa4-wye9-apHRpJHOK5EEQ_j4se8d21t-CnmAOA&s=efqCWeV9FY4hE9L4zJ_VIMnV70vaReFoo5I4gRttH-k&e=" target="_blank">
here[docs.google.com]</a>. The Sub Team Co-Chairs are scheduled to provide a comprehensive report of the Sub Team recommendations during tomorrow’s full Working Group call (21 June at 17:00 UTC).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
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