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<p>Hi Kristine,</p>
<p>Tx for all your work on the Friday night of a holiday weekend.
Much appreciated! <br>
</p>
<p>Our Q4 document is attached. Alas, Word did not label our
comments, so I added a KD before your comments and then a KK
before my responses. I think we are getting close! <br>
</p>
<p>Q4(b)(iv) remains an area that still needs discussion and
agreement... <br>
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<p>Best, Kathy</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/24/2019 6:48 PM, Dorrain, Kristine
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
I hope I’m replying to the most recent thread. I have to
say that while these topic threads are helpful in some ways,
my inbox is a disaster.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I took Kathy’s
suggestion here and stuck with the Word doc and redline –
thanks for starting us off, Kathy. My edits are attached.
My suggestion is that we should NOT editorialize in our
initial report. This means that I don’t like “one sub team
member said this or this”. I prefer a SHORT and neutral
statement of the facts to get the points across then either
state the recommendation or ask our questions. Full stop.
Having responded to the SubPro report, which largely did NOT
editorialize and it was still migraine-long, we will lose
all community members if they have to read our bickering.
The attached attempts to cut out all the discussion and
staff notes as well as editorializing and strip this down to
“just the facts, Jack” and our DIRECT questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I hope I
characterized other’s viewpoints in a clear way that didn’t
dilute them and I welcome corrections and other input.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kristine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Gnso-rpm-trademark
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 20, 2019 5:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-trademark] Closing Date
Extended: [Discussion Thread] TM Claims Q4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Dear Roger and Martin,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I am writing to provide input on TM Question #4. I believe
this recommendation write-up may have been posted for the
first time on Friday.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I write because I am a bit dismayed. I feel only part of the
discussion has been captured, and a good part of it left out.
I know it is hard to capture everything, but Rebecca and I
feel that, although we were very much present and active on
the call and working with the Subteam in these discussions,
very little of our input was captured, especially on this very
important question.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>To that end, she and I submit a redline with edits and
additions which we ask you to review and include -- to ensure
the WG and all reviewing this important document catch the
full flavor of our discussions and the current status of our
division over any recommendations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The file is attached so that the edits, via Track Changes,
will be clearly visible.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best regards and tx, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Attachment<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/17/2019 1:19 PM, Ariel Liang wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Trademark Claims Sub Team members, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Per Sub Team Co-Chairs’ determination,
the closing date of the Discussion Thread for the Trademark
Claims Agreed Charter Question 4 has been extended. It will
remain open until <b>23:59 UTC on 22 May</b>
<b>2019</b>. The extension is granted to encourage further
discussion about this question on list.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You may wish to reference the latest
version <b>Summary Table (as of 17 May 2019), pages 18-26</b>,
for your review/input:
<a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138613/%5BClaims%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2817%20May%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1558112544184&api=v2"
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mary, Julie, Ariel <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Ariel Liang
<a href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><ariel.liang@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 3, 2019 at 10:49 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">"gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Discussion Thread] TM Claims Q4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Dear Trademark
Claims Sub Team members,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">As announced, this
thread is being opened for final mailing list discussions
related to
<b>Trademark Claims Agreed Charter Question 4</b>. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">We ask that you
review the <b>Summary Table</b>
<b>(as of 16 April 2019) </b>and provide any additional
input you may have to the “<b>tentative answers &
preliminary recommendations</b>” in relation to the Agreed
Charter Question.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Unless the Sub
Team Co-Chairs determine otherwise, this discussion thread
will remain open until
<b>23:59 UTC on 15 May 2019</b>. Comments/input provided
past the closing date or outside this discussion thread will
not be taken into account when compiling the final Sub Team
member input.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
style="background:yellow">Summary Table
</span>(Pages 16-20)</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
The draft answers, preliminary recommendations, and links to
the relevant individual proposals are in the latest Summary
Table (as of 16 April 2019):<span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">Agreed
Trademark Claims Question 4</span> (Page 16-17)</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Sub Team just discussed Agreed
Charter Question 4 on 02 May 2019, hence the proposed
answers are “TBD”. Based on the Sub Team’s discussions, the
transcript and notes, staff will provide update.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4: Is the exact match requirement for
Trademark Claims serving the intended purposes of the
Trademark Claims RPM? In conducting this analysis, recall
that IDNs and Latin-based words with accents and umlauts
are currently not serviced or recognized by many
registries.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><br>
Q4(a) What is the evidence of harm under the existing
system?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(b) Should the matching criteria for
Notices be expanded?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(b)(i) Should the marks in the TMCH
be the basis for an expansion of matches for the purpose
of providing a broader range of claims notices?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(b)(ii) What results (including
unintended consequences) might each suggested form of
expansion of matching criteria have?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(b)(iii) What balance should be
adhered to in striving to deter bad-faith registrations
but not good-faith domain name applications?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(b)(iv) What is the resulting list
of non-exact match criteria recommended by the WG, if any?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(c) What is the feasibility of
implementation for each form of expanded matches?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(d) If an expansion of matches
solution were to be implemented:<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(d)(i) Should the existing TM Claims
Notice be amended? If so, how?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(d)(ii) Should the Claim period
differ for exact matches versus non-exact matches?</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">Where to
Find All Discussion Threads</span>
</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Access the Documents wiki page and find
the opening messages of the all discussion threads in the
table (highlighted in green):
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/9YIWBg"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/x/9YIWBg</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Mary, Julie, Ariel
<o:p></o:p></p>
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