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<p>I think after the dialogue on the list, we arrived at the
language below. (note: my only contribution was to expand the RO
acronym)</p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Revised Proposed
language for Q5:</span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<b><span style="color:#2E75B6">Generally, the WG recommends a
uniform minimum duration of 90 days for Claims periods where the
Registry Operator has not obtained an exemption (See Q1). We
have questions for the community in Q1 related to potential
scenarios for allowing some Registry Operator business models to
obtain an exemption for Claims that may or may not be based on
“types” of gTLDs (an undefined term).</span></b>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/24/2019 7:41 PM, Dorrain, Kristine
via Gnso-rpm-trademark wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In
the interest of moving things along, I’m not wedded to that
middle sentence and could strike it. I am generally in
favor of not saying more than we need to and I take your
point that simply re-iterating existing practice is
unnecessary verbiage here. OK to simply remain silent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kristine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Tushnet, Rebecca <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu"><rtushnet@law.harvard.edu></a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 4:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ariel Liang <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org"><ariel.liang@icann.org></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a>; Dorrain, Kristine
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dorraink@amazon.com"><dorraink@amazon.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Discussion Thread] TM Claims Q5<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">In
response to Kristine's suggestion about suggesting a
perpetual claims period--and keeping in mind Kristine's
preference for not putting in our disputes, to which I'm
highly sympathetic--I would oppose this language. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif;color:#201F1E">We never arrived at
approval or agreement of the full subteam about any
individual proposal regarding perpetual claims, and there
is definitely no consensus that it is a good idea. The
existing policy, very much including its time limits, was
negotiated extensively in the name of balance. We have no
data to show us that permanent claims are in any way
needed by trademark owners (including, for example, data
about a change in cybersquatting behavior after Claims
ends), but lots of data to show us problems with the
existing TM Claims and the problems of the current 90 day
period turning many potential registrants back. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif;color:#201F1E"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif;color:#201F1E">I am concerned that, if
we recommend this option specifically, we are implicitly
suggesting that it is an offering we {subteam/WG) support
when we don't. Given the existing concerns with claims,
blessing perpetual claims--even as an apparently ICANN
approved "option" rather than as a mandate--is not a good
idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif;color:#201F1E"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif;color:#201F1E">I would strike the
middle sentence in Kristine's formulation. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Rebecca
Tushnet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Frank
Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law
School<br>
703 593 6759 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
Gnso-rpm-trademark <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Dorrain, Kristine via Gnso-rpm-trademark <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2019 5:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ariel Liang; <a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-trademark] [Discussion
Thread] TM Claims Q5</span> <o:p>
</o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Proposed
language for Q5:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="color:#2E75B6">Generally,
the WG recommends a uniform minimum duration of 90
days for Claims periods where the RO has not obtained
an exemption (See Q1). We do recommend ROs continue
to be allowed to extend the Claims period (up to and
including in perpetuity) if desired. We have
questions for the community in Q1 related to potential
scenarios for allowing some RO business models to
obtain an exemption for Claims that may or may not be
based on “types” of gTLDs (an undefined term).</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Gnso-rpm-trademark
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ariel Liang<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 17, 2019 10:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-rpm-trademark] [Discussion
Thread] TM Claims Q5<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Dear Trademark Claims Sub Team
members, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:black">As announced, this thread is
being opened for final mailing list discussions related
to
<b>Trademark Claims Agreed Charter Question </b></span><b>5</b>.<span
style="color:black">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:black">We ask that you review the <b>Summary
Table</b> <b>(as of 17 May 2019)
</b>and provide any additional input you may have to the
“<b>tentative answers & preliminary recommendations</b>”
in relation to the Agreed Charter Question</span>.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Unless the Sub Team Co-Chairs
determine otherwise, this discussion thread will remain
open until
<b>23:59 UTC on </b></span><b>29<span
style="color:black"> May 2019</span></b><span
style="color:black">. Comments/input provided past the
closing date or outside this discussion thread will not
be taken into account when compiling the final Sub Team
member input.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="color:black;background:yellow">Summary
Table </span><span style="color:black">(Pages
</span>26<span style="color:black">-</span>28<span
style="color:black">)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="font-variant-caps:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;widows:auto;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="color:black">The draft answers, preliminary
recommendations, and links to the relevant individual
proposals are in the latest Summary Table (as of 17 May
2019):
</span><a
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<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="color:black"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span
style="color:black;background:yellow">Agreed Trademark
Claims Question
</span><span style="background:yellow">5</span><span
style="color:black"> </span>
</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black">The Sub
Team just discussed Agreed Charter Question </span>5<span
style="color:black"> on </span>15<span
style="color:black"> May 2019, hence the proposed
answers are “TBD”. Based on the Sub Team’s discussions,
the transcript and notes, staff will provide update.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><i><span style="color:black">Q</span>5</i></b><i>:
Should the Trademark Claims period continue to be
uniform for all types of gTLDs in subsequent rounds?</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><u><span style="color:black">Proposed
Answer</span></u>:
</b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="background:yellow">Where
to Find All Discussion Threads</span>
</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal">Access the Documents wiki page and
find the opening messages of the all discussion threads in
the table (highlighted in green):
<a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_9YIWBg&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=sz5KNkF1dX7qXI0OUuU_65op2jGtdRduaa-TzOaOibY&s=W0cIDub4I7qYLA2YafLi7mTGvAk8rIAtswXm8vGs8g0&e="
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https://community.icann.org/x/9YIWBg</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Best Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Mary, Julie, Ariel </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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