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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Dear Kristine, Kathy, and all,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">In light of the redline comments/suggestions being provided via word documents, staff have created a google doc version by importing/converting the latest word document just circulated by Kristine (28 May
at 20:29 UTC): <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/10quBC1BnuIM_wOyEXH7TttNWEOrDTiPNscgSBd7QFXg/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10quBC1BnuIM_wOyEXH7TttNWEOrDTiPNscgSBd7QFXg/edit?usp=sharing</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">If you wish to continue redlining, it may be better using this Google Doc. Comments and suggested edits are easier to find/read; version confusion can be avoided using Google Doc.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We hope it helps. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Mary, Julie, Ariel <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gnso-rpm-trademark <gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of "Dorrain, Kristine via Gnso-rpm-trademark" <gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"Dorrain, Kristine" <dorraink@amazon.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 4:29 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com>, "gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org" <gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-rpm-trademark] Closing Date Extended: [Discussion Thread] TM Claims Q4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks Kathy, I appreciate your work on this. I sadly don’t think we’re close, but am persevering.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">***********************</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">All: I went in and fixed the doc to track authors, so hopefully it will track us going forward. I also tried to add my name by comments in case it gets erased.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Because we don’t have any actual recommendations, but just list of points and counterpoints followed by some questions, I was wondering if it made more sense to structure our report a little differently?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I did:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Answer (even if it’s we don’t agree) – 100% neutral.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Questions (community action items) – hopefully neutral</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Discussion (in case anyone wants to read that far) –the “debate” as we have it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Repeat. This allows everyone to get their points in, but doesn’t deflect from the mission, which is to solicit community input. I’m interested to hear what people think. Staff, are we even allowed to deviate
from the format?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 27, 2019 7:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dorrain, Kristine <dorraink@amazon.com>; gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-trademark] Closing Date Extended: [Discussion Thread] TM Claims Q4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi Kristine,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Tx for all your work on the Friday night of a holiday weekend. Much appreciated!
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<p>Our Q4 document is attached. Alas, Word did not label our comments, so I added a KD before your comments and then a KK before my responses. I think we are getting close!
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<p>Q4(b)(iv) remains an area that still needs discussion and agreement... <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/24/2019 6:48 PM, Dorrain, Kristine wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I hope I’m replying to the most recent thread. I have to say that while these topic threads are helpful in some ways, my inbox is a disaster.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I took Kathy’s suggestion here and stuck with the Word doc and redline – thanks for starting us off, Kathy. My edits are attached. My suggestion is that we should NOT editorialize in our initial report. This
means that I don’t like “one sub team member said this or this”. I prefer a SHORT and neutral statement of the facts to get the points across then either state the recommendation or ask our questions. Full stop. Having responded to the SubPro report, which
largely did NOT editorialize and it was still migraine-long, we will lose all community members if they have to read our bickering. The attached attempts to cut out all the discussion and staff notes as well as editorializing and strip this down to “just
the facts, Jack” and our DIRECT questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I hope I characterized other’s viewpoints in a clear way that didn’t dilute them and I welcome corrections and other input.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kristine</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> Gnso-rpm-trademark
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-trademark-bounces@icann.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 20, 2019 5:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org">gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-rpm-trademark] Closing Date Extended: [Discussion Thread] TM Claims Q4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Dear Roger and Martin,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I am writing to provide input on TM Question #4. I believe this recommendation write-up may have been posted for the first time on Friday.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I write because I am a bit dismayed. I feel only part of the discussion has been captured, and a good part of it left out. I know it is hard to capture everything, but Rebecca and I feel that, although we were very much present and active on the call and
working with the Subteam in these discussions, very little of our input was captured, especially on this very important question.
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<p>To that end, she and I submit a redline with edits and additions which we ask you to review and include -- to ensure the WG and all reviewing this important document catch the full flavor of our discussions and the current status of our division over any
recommendations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The file is attached so that the edits, via Track Changes, will be clearly visible.
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<p>Best regards and tx, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Attachment<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/17/2019 1:19 PM, Ariel Liang wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Trademark Claims Sub Team members, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Per Sub Team Co-Chairs’ determination, the closing date of the Discussion Thread for the Trademark Claims Agreed Charter Question 4 has been extended. It will remain open until <b>23:59 UTC on 22 May</b>
<b>2019</b>. The extension is granted to encourage further discussion about this question on list.
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<p class="MsoNormal">You may wish to reference the latest version <b>Summary Table (as of 17 May 2019), pages 18-26</b>, for your review/input:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138613/%5BClaims%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2817%20May%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1558112544184&api=v2">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mary, Julie, Ariel <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Ariel Liang
<a href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org"><ariel.liang@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 3, 2019 at 10:49 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org">"gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-trademark@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Discussion Thread] TM Claims Q4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Dear Trademark Claims Sub Team members,
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">As announced, this thread is being opened for final mailing list discussions related to
<b>Trademark Claims Agreed Charter Question 4</b>. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">We ask that you review the <b>Summary Table</b>
<b>(as of 16 April 2019) </b>and provide any additional input you may have to the “<b>tentative answers & preliminary recommendations</b>” in relation to the Agreed Charter Question.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Unless the Sub Team Co-Chairs determine otherwise, this discussion thread will remain open until
<b>23:59 UTC on 15 May 2019</b>. Comments/input provided past the closing date or outside this discussion thread will not be taken into account when compiling the final Sub Team member input.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="background:yellow">Summary Table
</span>(Pages 16-20)</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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The draft answers, preliminary recommendations, and links to the relevant individual proposals are in the latest Summary Table (as of 16 April 2019):<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138613/%5BClaims%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515784000&api=v2">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138613/%5BClaims%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515784000&api=v2</a><span class="apple-converted-space">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">Agreed Trademark Claims Question 4</span> (Page 16-17)</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Sub Team just discussed Agreed Charter Question 4 on 02 May 2019, hence the proposed answers are “TBD”. Based on the Sub Team’s discussions, the transcript and notes, staff will provide update.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4: Is the exact match requirement for Trademark Claims serving the intended purposes of the Trademark Claims RPM? In conducting this analysis, recall that IDNs and Latin-based words with accents and umlauts are currently not serviced
or recognized by many registries.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
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Q4(a) What is the evidence of harm under the existing system?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(b) Should the matching criteria for Notices be expanded?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(b)(i) Should the marks in the TMCH be the basis for an expansion of matches for the purpose of providing a broader range of claims notices?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(b)(ii) What results (including unintended consequences) might each suggested form of expansion of matching criteria have?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(b)(iii) What balance should be adhered to in striving to deter bad-faith registrations but not good-faith domain name applications?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(b)(iv) What is the resulting list of non-exact match criteria recommended by the WG, if any?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(c) What is the feasibility of implementation for each form of expanded matches?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(d) If an expansion of matches solution were to be implemented:<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(d)(i) Should the existing TM Claims Notice be amended? If so, how?<br>
</i><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Q4(d)(ii) Should the Claim period differ for exact matches versus non-exact matches?</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Proposed Answer</u>: </b>TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">Where to Find All Discussion Threads</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Access the Documents wiki page and find the opening messages of the all discussion threads in the table (highlighted in green):
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/9YIWBg">https://community.icann.org/x/9YIWBg</a>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Mary, Julie, Ariel <o:p></o:p></p>
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