[gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016

Greg Shatan gregshatanipc at gmail.com
Wed Dec 14 16:37:40 UTC 2016


I think we are getting closer to a question that is readable and does not
(arguably, for those who think it is arguable) misuse legal terms.  As I
understand the current phrasing, from Phil's email, is:

"Should the scope of the *RPMs associated with the* TMCH be limited to
apply only to *TLDs that are related to* the categories of goods and
services in which the dictionary term(s) within a  trademark are
protected?” *(new language in Bold)*

However, this version of the question raises a different problem.  Now, the
question is no longer about the TMCH.  Instead it's about RPMs (e.g.,
Claims and Sunrise) that use the TMCH.  As such, it's not an appropriate
question for this list.

Like question 9, this question should be moved to questions on TM Claims
and Sunrise and further considered at that time, and removed from the TMCH
list.

Greg



On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com> wrote:

> Thanks John.
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> Hopefully we can get past this one quickly on tomorrow’s call.
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> Best, Philip
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> *From:* John McElwaine [mailto:john.mcelwaine at nelsonmullins.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 1:17 PM
>
> *To:* Phil Corwin; J. Scott Evans; Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon; Beckham,
> Brian; George Kirikos; gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* RE: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated
> categories document - 2 December 2016
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> Phil,
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> This revision is very helpful, and I believe, that the question(as
> revised) is now sufficiently clear for discussion.
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> John
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> *From:* Phil Corwin [mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com <psc at vlaw-dc.com>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:48 AM
> *To:* John McElwaine; J. Scott Evans; Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon;
> Beckham, Brian; George Kirikos; gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* RE: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated
> categories document - 2 December 2016
>
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> John:
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> Responding to you and others who have weighed in on this.
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> Much of what the chairs -- and WG members -- are trying to do here is to
> combine and rationalize related community-submitted questions that are
> appended to the Charter.
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> I admit that the current phrasing is not the most elegant and we would
> certainly welcome any suggestions for clarification that don't unduly delay
> getting the questions out, so that we can collect and analyze the answers
> and make some decisions.
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>
> Let's try to parse the question in regard to one of everyone's favorite
> generic word examples, "apple", which is generic for the fruit but is a
> well-known trademark for consumer electronics.
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> In that context, the question "Should the scope of the TMCH be limited to
> apply only to the categories of goods and services in which the dictionary
> term(s) within a  trademark are protected?" would seem to be asking whether
> (presuming that Apple the electronics manufacturer is the sole TM holder
> that has registered 'apple" in the TMCH; if others have TM'd "apple" for
> other purposes and likewise registered that would complicate the analysis),
> when a potential domain registrant begins to register apple.tld, that
> individual should only receive a TM Claims Notice when the .TLD is one
> associated with the goods and services for which the TM is registered (and
> I guess that the logical extension would be that TM holders would only have
> a right to sunrise registrations in a TLD that was reasonably related to
> the goods and services for which the TM has been registered).
>
>
>
> Given that analysis, the more precise way to phrase the question might be,
> "Should the scope of the *RPMs associated with the* TMCH be limited to
> apply only to *TLDs that are related to* the categories of goods and
> services in which the dictionary term(s) within a  trademark are
> protected?” *(new language in Bold) *Again, this is not the Chairs’
> question but is based on one submitted by a community member.
>
>
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> If that is a more acceptable version of the question then let’s see if we
> can concur.
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> My own experience within ICANN is that no matter how precisely you try to
> frame a question some of those responding will ignore the text and answer
> the question as they wish it had been phrased.
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>
>
> Finally, projecting a bit, and speaking solely in a personal capacity
> (Chair hat temporarily removed) my own answer to this question would likely
> be “no”, for two reasons.
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> First, it would be a tremendous administrative burden on the TMCH, and one
> likely to generate disagreement in specific instances, if for each TM
> registered in the TMCH it had to determine which of the more than one
> thousand new gTLD “strings” corresponded to a given class(es) of goods and
> services associated with the TM.
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> Second, there is no logical connection between the choice of TLD and
> potential infringement. Someone might register “apple” at a TLD associated
> with computers, phones, consumer electronics, etc. and use it in a
> perfectly noninfringing manner, such as a website evaluating the pluses and
> minuses of various Apple products. Another registrant might register apple
> at a website associated with food, farming, or nutrition & health (generic
> meaning related TLDs that are not “protected”) and yet use it in an
> infringing manner such as selling competing (or counterfeit) electronic
> products, and use SEO search techniques to drive traffic to it.
>
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> When it comes to the Claims Notice I am personally more concerned that it
> conveys a clear message, especially to the unsophisticated registrant, and
> does not unduly suppress legitimate registrations.
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> When it comes to sunrise registrations I think it’s up to the TM owner to
> decide which of the new gTLDs merits registration of the company’s
> trademarks.
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> I hope that helps rather than confuses.
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> Best, Philip
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> Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
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> Virtualaw LLC
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> 1155 F Street, NW
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> Suite 1050
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> Washington, DC 20004
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John McElwaine [mailto:john.mcelwaine at nelsonmullins.com
> <john.mcelwaine at nelsonmullins.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:06 AM
> To: Phil Corwin; J. Scott Evans; Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon; Beckham,
> Brian; George Kirikos; gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
> Subject: RE: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated
> categories document - 2 December 2016
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>
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> Phil,
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>
> Thanks for this.  I'm just seeking some clarification:   Does this
> question seek whether the TMCH should be limited in its application to
> Trademark Claims Notices and Sunrise Processes in which the domain name
> being registered is going to be used in a manner that relates to the goods
> and services contained in the registration, if the registration consists of
> a word found in a dictionary?
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> Kind regards,
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> John
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin
>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 8:58 AM
>
> To: J. Scott Evans; Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon; Beckham, Brian; George
> Kirikos; gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated
> categories document - 2 December 2016
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>
> Good day to all. I have been tied up this morning on the call of the WS2
> Jurisdiction subgroup.
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>
> The proposed compromise language agreed upon by the co-chairs and
> suggested for your consideration as a path forward so we can get the
> questions out and get on to the work of reviewing and understanding the
> answers is as follows:
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>         Should the scope of the TMCH be limited to apply only to the
> categories of goods and services in which the dictionary term(s) within a
> trademark are protected? If so, how?  In responding to this question, you
> should note that the original submitters of the related       charter
> questions seem to be been particularly concerned about "generic terms"
> representing the common or class name for the    goods and services.
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> We hope this proposed formulation will prove acceptable to members of this
> WG. Thanks for your consideration.
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> Best to all, Philip
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> Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
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> Virtualaw LLC
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> 1155 F Street, NW
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of J. Scott Evans
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 7:24 AM
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> To: Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon; Beckham, Brian; George Kirikos;
> gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
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> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated
> categories document - 2 December 2016
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> Importance: High
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> Phil?
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> J. Scott Evans | Associate General Counsel - Trademarks, Copyright,
> Domains & Marketing | Adobe
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> 345 Park Avenue
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> On 12/13/16, 4:18 AM, "Paul Keating" <Paul at law.es> wrote:
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> >Please circulate it prior to the call.
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> >On 12/13/16, 1:10 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jsevans at adobe.com> wrote:
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> >
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> >>The Co-Chairs have a proposed compromise revision drafted by Phil that
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> >>we will propose to the group.
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> >>
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> >>J. Scott
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> >>
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> >>J. Scott Evans | Associate General Counsel - Trademarks, Copyright,
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> >>Domains & Marketing | Adobe
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> >>345 Park Avenue
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> >>San Jose, CA 95110
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> >>408.536.5336 <(408)%20536-5336> (tel), 408.709.6162 (cell)
> jsevans at adobe.com
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> >>www.adobe.com
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> >>On 12/13/16, 4:06 AM, "Paul Keating" <Paul at law.es> wrote:
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> >>>Good suggestion J. Scott.
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> >>>
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> >>>Can we live with the question as follows?
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> >>>
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> >>>Should the scope of the TMCH be limited in its application to
>
> >>>trademarks containing dictionary terms which are generic or
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> >>>descriptive?  If so how?
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>Paul
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>On 12/13/16, 12:51 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <jsevans at adobe.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
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> >>>>Again, and at the risk of repeating myself. And, as Brian Beckham
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> >>>>pointed out this morning, there are quite a few of us in the ICANN
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> >>>>community and on the list that understand the nuances of generic,
>
> >>>>descriptive, arbitrary and fanciful marks as land out in Abercrombie
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> >>>>by Learned Hand oh so long ago. However, in the bigger picture
>
> >>>>policy debate most stakeholders do not understand. They believe that
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> >>>>a term is "generic" if it is a WORD with a meaning and are quite
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> >>>>frustrated when they find that they cannot own ACETOOLS.COM for
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> >>>>their site that is for really cool tools. This misunderstanding is
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> >>>>then conflated in the policy debate and causes all kinds of
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> >>>>confusion and misunderstanding. Hence, I believe the better term is
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> >>>>"dictionary term" which under the Abercrombie factors can be either
>
> >>>>generic, descriptive or arbitrary depending on the circumstances.
>
> >>>>
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> >>>>J. Scott
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> >>>>
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> >>>>J. Scott Evans | Associate General Counsel - Trademarks, Copyright,
>
> >>>>Domains & Marketing | Adobe
>
> >>>>345 Park Avenue
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> >>>>San Jose, CA 95110
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> >>>>408.536.5336 <(408)%20536-5336> (tel), 408.709.6162 (cell)
> jsevans at adobe.com
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> >>>>www.adobe.com
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> >>>>On 12/13/16, 3:44 AM, "Paul Keating" <Paul at law.es> wrote:
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> >>>>
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> >>>>>Jonathan,
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>>Not to be nit-picky but your definition is incorrect.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>Generic:  Relating to or characteristic of a whole group or class;
>
> >>>>>general, as opposed to specific or special.  (Black's Law
>
> >>>>>Dictionary)
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>A 'generic term" is one which is commonly used as the name or
>
> >>>>>description of a kind of goods and it is generally accepted that a
>
> >>>>>generic term is incapable of achieving trade name protection.  For
>
> >>>>>example, any single seller can not have trademark rights in
>
> >>>>>"television" or "oven." When a seller is given exclusive rights to
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> >>>>>call something by its recognized name, it would amount to a
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> >>>>>practical monopoly on selling that type of product.
>
> >>>>>Even established trademarks can lose their protection if they are
>
> >>>>>used generically. For example (in U.S.), thermos and aspirin.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>A descriptive term (which many people refer to as a "dictionary
>
> >>>>>term") is merely that - a term used in its descriptive sense (e.g.
>
> >>>>>"Redbarn" is descriptive for selling red barns but not for hotels).
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>Treatment in differing jurisdictions complicates matters.  For
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> >>>>>example, the term "donut" is a trademark in Spain for donuts.  It
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> >>>>>was obtained way back when when the registrant saw donuts during a
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> >>>>>visit to the US, returned to Spain and began producing them and
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> >>>>>registered the trademark.
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>>Thus, the term has nothing to do with consumer perception of source.
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>>Moreover, most generic terms are by definition "in the dictionary".
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>>The problem I encounter most with generic/descriptive terms are in
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> >>>>>the context of figurative marks.  Although the USPTO is getting
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> >>>>>better at requiring disclaimers, they were not so diligent in the
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> >>>>>future.  In my experience, most other jurisdictions do not
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> >>>>>rigorously impose disclaimer obligations.
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> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>Another source of constant frustration is with Section 2(f).
>
> >>>>>Again, while the USPTO appears to becoming more diligent they were
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> >>>>>simply horrible in the past.  Other jurisdictions do not have a
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> >>>>>similar provision and, for example, France, has a terrible
>
> >>>>>reputation for registering even the most descriptive (and even
>
> >>>>>generic) terms.
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>I think the question regarding generic marks in the TMCH has merit
>
> >>>>>and should be discussed and this thread is but one example of why.
>
> >>>>>Again, whether we reach conclusions as to the question is a
>
> >>>>>different issue for a different day.
>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>Paul Keating
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>On 12/13/16, 12:12 PM, "Jonathan Agmon"
>
> >>>>><jonathan.agmon at ip-law.legal>
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> >>>>>wrote:
>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>>All,
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>Just to contribute another angle and perhaps a helpful example.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>I think that dictionary words and generic terms are two different
>
> >>>>>>species. A dictionary word is a word that is defined in the
>
> >>>>>>dictionary.
>
> >>>>>>For example the word "apple" is defined as "a fruit (as a star
>
> >>>>>>apple) or other vegetative growth". A generic term is a legal
>
> >>>>>>standard in trademark law denoting a mark whose source cannot be
>
> >>>>>>identified by consumers.
>
> >>>>>>And
>
> >>>>>>if consumers think that a single source exists for that term then
>
> >>>>>>by law the term is not generic. Therefore, in this example, APPLE,
>
> >>>>>>a dictionary word by all accounts, may be a dictionary word for
>
> >>>>>>fruit, is not a generic term and will in all likelihood be
>
> >>>>>>considered a strong trademark for computers.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>This is just one example and you should consider that the term
>
> >>>>>>"generic"
>
> >>>>>>as a term of art in trademark law. It has nothing to do with
>
> >>>>>>dictionary words. Moreover, some dictionary words can be weak
>
> >>>>>>trademarks at one time and strong trademarks at another time.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>You can consider for example the marks NYLON or XEROX. You can
>
> >>>>>>find both of them in the dictionary. The term NYLON was an
>
> >>>>>>invented mark, invented in 1935 by DuPont. It arguably became
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> >>>>>>generic (from a trademark
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> >>>>>>perspective) when consumers all started referring to synthetic
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> >>>>>>polymers from every manufacture (not just DuPont) as Nylon.  XEROX
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> >>>>>>invented a photocopying machine. The term came close to turning
>
> >>>>>>generic when in the eighties consumers used the verb "Xeroxing"
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> >>>>>>instead of "photocopying".
>
> >>>>>>Xeorx, the company changed that and today by all accounts the mark
>
> >>>>>>XEROX is not generic but rather a trademark for photocopying
>
> >>>>>>machines.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>Taking the above into account ,the policies below state "generic
>
> >>>>>>or descriptive" not generic or dictionary words. The term
>
> >>>>>>descriptive is another term of art in trademark law, which refers
>
> >>>>>>to a trademark that describes the goods it is applied to. The
>
> >>>>>>examples of "toy, shop, cleaner, lawyer..." are only descriptive
>
> >>>>>>for the relevant goods or services they are attached to.
>
> >>>>>>Non-lawyers would immediately associate these terms with their
>
> >>>>>>respective meaning.  But, these terms can serve as trademarks too.
>
> >>>>>>It all depends on the circumstances and consumer perception. One
>
> >>>>>>last example would be the use of TOY on a yogurt product.
>
> >>>>>>Check out the attachment - the term JOY is applied to a yogurt
>
> >>>>>>product.
>
> >>>>>>While the term JOY can be descriptive of a feeling, it is not
>
> >>>>>>descriptive for yogurt products. So long as consumers don't call
>
> >>>>>>any yogurt product JOY, then it is also not generic.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>I hope this helps.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>Jonathan Agmon(???)
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> >>>>>><jsevans at adobe.com>; George Kirikos <icann at leap.com>;
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> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions
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> >>>>>>tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>Paul, all,
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>A timely post on CircleID speaks to (intentional) confusion on the
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> >>>>>>"generic"/dictionary dichotomy:
>
> >>>>>>http://www.circleid.com/posts/20161212_appearing_respondents_calle
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.circleid.com_posts_20161212-5Fappearing-5Frespondents-5Fcalle&d=DgMFAw&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=T9qKhPa-GaQGizwKSztEcc4Da0WROgr6rrd1YkWLLCI&s=h_y1MZfoYOsFmKf1O9tpra8GjnNqreE5V4fnn1_43y0&e=>
>
> >>>>>>d_o
>
> >>>>>>u
>
> >>>>>>t
>
> >>>>>>_
>
> >>>>>>a
>
> >>>>>>s
>
> >>>>>>_cybersquatters/
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>In that post, Mr. Levine notes:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>"There's continuing confusion among domain buyers (not likely to
>
> >>>>>>be professional investors) that dictionary words are 'generic'
>
> >>>>>>therefore available to the first to register them. That's not the
> case at all.
>
> >>>>>>There are numerous trademarks composed of common words; weak
>
> >>>>>>perhaps, and vulnerable when combined with other common words but
>
> >>>>>>nevertheless protectable with sufficient proof of bad faith."
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>Brian
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>
> >>>>>>From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
>
> >>>>>>[mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Paul Keating
>
> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:24 PM
>
> >>>>>>To: J. Scott Evans; George Kirikos; gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
>
> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions
>
> >>>>>>tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>But it does show that it is not so much rocket science.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>On 12/12/16, 10:11 PM, "J. Scott Evans"
>
> >>>>>><gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
>
> >>>>>>on
>
> >>>>>>behalf of jsevans at adobe.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>That don¹t make it right.
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>J. Scott Evans | Associate General Counsel - Trademarks,
>
> >>>>>>>Copyright, Domains & Marketing | Adobe
>
> >>>>>>>345 Park Avenue
>
> >>>>>>>San Jose, CA 95110
>
> >>>>>>>408.536.5336 <(408)%20536-5336> (tel), 408.709.6162 (cell)
> jsevans at adobe.com
>
> >>>>>>>www.adobe.com
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.adobe.com&d=DgMFAw&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=T9qKhPa-GaQGizwKSztEcc4Da0WROgr6rrd1YkWLLCI&s=8v0_QsDyOmzjsvSQ4vjEOhiPCh_UdPFTfuBzp8-Hwx4&e=>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>On 12/12/16, 10:04 AM, "gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf
>
> >>>>>>>of George Kirikos" <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
>
> >>>>>>>icann at leap.com>
>
> >>>>>>>wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>FYI, re: "generic", both the .uk and the .nz dispute policies
>
> >>>>>>>>reference "generic" domain names, see:
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>.uk:
>
> >>>>>>>>http://nominet-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nominet-2Dprod.s3.amazonaws.com_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_2016_08_&d=DgMFAw&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=T9qKhPa-GaQGizwKSztEcc4Da0WROgr6rrd1YkWLLCI&s=6H0-kc3NRgNynMDRD222KAv08LbyZamgHbvoEcVOgGw&e=>
>
> >>>>>>>>Fin
>
> >>>>>>>>a
>
> >>>>>>>>l
>
> >>>>>>>>-
>
> >>>>>>>>pro
>
> >>>>>>>>p
>
> >>>>>>>>osed-DRS-Policy.pdf
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>"8.1.2 The Domain Name is generic or descriptive and the
>
> >>>>>>>>Respondent is making fair use of it;"
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>.nz: https://www.dnc.org.nz/resource-library/policies/65
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dnc.org.nz_resource-2Dlibrary_policies_65&d=DgMFAw&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=T9qKhPa-GaQGizwKSztEcc4Da0WROgr6rrd1YkWLLCI&s=pdNSBdZsgY80agYoEDQVAgSWIxirkj_nrES9M0yQFbs&e=>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>"Generic Term means a word or phrase that is a common name in
>
> >>>>>>>>general public use for a product, service, profession, place or
>
> >>>>>>>>thing. For
>
> >>>>>>>>example: toy; shop; cleaner; lawyers; Wellington; sparkling-wine"
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>"6.1.2. The Domain Name is generic or descriptive and the
>
> >>>>>>>>Respondent is making fair use of it in a way which is consistent
>
> >>>>>>>>with its generic or descriptive character;"
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>George Kirikos
>
> >>>>>>>>416-588-0269 <(416)%20588-0269>
>
> >>>>>>>>http://www.leap.com/
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.leap.com_&d=DgMFAw&c=qmi9WrYRGQEDDOxOwKrAjW7mWovpzN_EKyRbeK_zbP0&r=Kepk-9GEB6JgOj0vUGl8c0hdrRM7FW-8Is-VAQU1VAk&m=T9qKhPa-GaQGizwKSztEcc4Da0WROgr6rrd1YkWLLCI&s=9hCn7UyZqukNz6kdtol7XRlehtOwkz7tGVkc6FqkysU&e=>
>
> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>
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> >>>>>>>
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