[gnso-rpm-wg] TMCH review objectives
Volker Greimann
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Mon Sep 26 08:49:47 UTC 2016
And even with this famous name, there is a wikipedia disambiguation page
of over half a dozen other uses which may have something to do with this
famous mark originally being the name of a Greek Goddess personifying
victory. ;-)
Volker
Am 23.09.2016 um 17:53 schrieb Paul Keating:
> Steven,
>
> With all due respect when will “protection” find its limits. Just
> because the right to use something is high does not equate with a
> denial of rights. Unless a domain name is subject to only one
> passible use (that of the brand owner) and no other uses, then it
> remains an asset of the registry to sell as it deems fit. If the
> brand owner – who is only one of a number of users – is unable to
> afford the price, such is life. AND when I say one possible use I
> really mean it. The name would not only have to be coined but famous.
> A coined term is one that was invented but history teaches that
> inventions are not unique. They are often repeated. A famous mark is
> one that transcends use and extents to completely unrelated commercial
> monetization. An example – one of the few I can think of - would be NIKE.
>
> Lets stay focussed and reasonable please. Just because something is
> expensive does not equate to something that infringes.
>
> Sincerely,
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> <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Steve Levy
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> Date: Friday, September 23, 2016 at 5:40 PM
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> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] TMCH review objectives
>
> I’d also like to add my view that “protection” can take a number
> of different forms. Stopping someone from infringing upon one’s
> trademark is the most obvious one but protecting brand owners from
> having their trademarks held for ransom at an unreasonably high
> premium price is another. If, for example, [brand].TLD is priced
> at US$50000 as a premium domain it effectively prevents the brand
> owner from purchasing that domain and the website remains either
> non-resolved or perhaps as a registry advertisement. The public
> may then see this site and mistakenly believe that the brand owner
> has either gone out of business or is not devoting sufficient
> resources to promoting its brand online. Preventing this type of
> negative impact on the brand is another form of “protection”.
>
> Regards,
> Steve
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> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] TMCH review objectives
>
> I believe I just addressed that question in the email I posted –
> if unreasonably high sunrise pricing deters a rights holder from
> registering a domain corresponding to a verified TM registered in
> the TMCH then it may be registered in the general availability
> period by an infringer, which in turn imposes a variety of costs
> on the TM owner (including those of bringing a subsequent URS,
> UDRP, or judicial action) and also creates the possibility of
> confusion and harm for the general public.
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> This is not to say that all Premium pricing is unreasonable, as it
> is generally recognized that certain words and terms have inherent
> additional value in the DNS context – it really requires a case by
> case analysis.
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> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Rebecca Tushnet
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> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] TMCH review objectives
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> TMCH’s goal of “protection” against /what/, though? How does high
> pricing contribute to trademark infringement? High pricing may
> deter purchases of domain names, no doubt, but with what result
> for the system overall?
>
> Rebecca Tushnet
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> Georgetown Law
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> *From:*Silver, Bradley [mailto:Bradley.Silver at timewarner.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, September 23, 2016 11:00 AM
> *To:* Rebecca Tushnet; gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
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> *Subject:* RE: TMCH review objectives
>
> I would add that the question of pricing feeds into the concept of
> effectiveness, because if the TMCH is serving as a database for
> registries to target brand owners for higher pricing based on the
> value of their brands, then this is antithetical to the TMCH’s
> primary goal to provide protection for verified right holders.
>
> *From:*gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
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> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Rebecca Tushnet
> *Sent:* Friday, September 23, 2016 10:26 AM
> *To:* gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [gnso-rpm-wg] TMCH review objectives
>
> Hello, all. On the last WG call, concerns about pricing of domain
> names during the Sunrise Period arose. This led to a question of
> whether pricing is within the remit of this WG – and the broader
> question of what the purpose of our TMCH review is. There seemed
> to be a desire to focus on the TMCH’s effectiveness. The predicate
> question, then, is: effectiveness at what? Here are some
> suggestions for discussion: (1) minimizing the cost of operating
> the system for all concerned; (2) minimizing the number of actions
> that ultimately need to be brought against infringing registrants;
> (3) minimizing the number of noninfringing registrants whose
> legitimate uses are blocked or deterred. If the system is
> reasonably balancing those objectives, I suggest, then it is
> effective; potential changes should be directly related to
> improving performance on one or more of these metrics without
> unduly hampering the others.
>
> Yours,
>
> Rebecca Tushnet
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> Rebecca Tushnet
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