[gnso-rpm-wg] A Brave New World Without Sunrises or the TMCH

[Reg Levy]

The reasons for that request are laid out quite well in the letter; it's not a "bailout"; and I fail to see the relevance to our chartered task. 

Reg Levy
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> On Apr 14 2017, at 15:05, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
> 
> You're absolutely right:
> 
> http://domainincite.com/21659-new-gtld-registries-want-a-17-million-icann-rebate
> 
> They want a bailout. Yet, then they argue there should be a 2nd round.
> Talk about sending mixed messages. (the stories from some of their
> blogs about their "successes", etc., too)
> 
> To the extent that some of these RPMs undermined or burdened the
> registry operators, they might want to speak up about that (e.g. the
> $5K/string (or whatever the exact amount was) to Deloitte for the
> TMCH). Effects of delays in rollouts due to sunrises, etc.
> 
> Folks know I'm no fan of them. If it was up to me, they'd be removed
> from the root, with refunds and a big "sorry, about that, our
> experiment failed".
> 
> Since that's unlikely to happen, consider fixing some of the obvious issues.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> George Kirikos
> 416-588-0269
> http://www.leap.com/
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:56 PM, J. Scott Evans <jsevans at adobe.com> wrote:
>> I think you could say that about 99% of the new gTLDs. Didn’t they recently ask for a reduction in fees?
>> 
>> 
>> J. Scott Evans
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/14/17, 2:54 PM, "gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of George Kirikos" <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of icann at leap.com> wrote:
>> 
>>    Just to correct my prior email, .pro technically wasn't a "sponsored" TLD.
>> 
>>    But, the other ones that were sponsored weren't very successful
>>    (.post, .aero, .asia, .jobs. mobi, .xxx etc.).
>> 
>>    Sincerely,
>> 
>>    George
>> 
>>>    On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:47 PM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
>>> Hi J. Scott,
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg
>>> <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org> wrote:
>>>> My suggestion would be that either we have sponsored TLDs with up front verification or we have a challenge system whereby the challenging party that wants to us the string for a non-infringing purpose could obtain the domain name; provided, however that their use was subject to the requirement that they stick to the stated non-infringing purpose. Failure to do so is a breach of the TOS and the Registry would takedown the domain name if it received a valid complaint. Similar to DMCA.
>>> 
>>> We're trying to achieve the same result, which I see as promising.
>>> 
>>> With respect, it's unfortunate that sponsored TLDs turned out be a
>>> disaster. Either they were outright gamed (e.g. people renting out
>>> their ".pro" qualifications/credentials/whatever), or domains were
>>> mopped up by insiders (e.g. .travel), etc.
>>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdomainnamewire.com%2F2008%2F02%2F22%2Ftheglobecom-to-sell-travel-domain-name-registry%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9526ccc5d60494f64c108d48380d39a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636278036711878269&sdata=32J%2Bjvt04Er7l95pOnnPyVi1dVhcUh%2FOej7zh%2BC1UrM%3D&reserved=0
>>> 
>>> With a "challenge" system, what if there were multiple challengers?
>>> Who gets the domain name? What if the sunrise registrant wants the
>>> domain name more than the "challenger(s)" does(do)? Who gets it?
>>> 
>>> What I proposed (auction system in landrush, which is how landrushes
>>> tend to operate anyhow; i.e. just eliminate the sunrise and go
>>> straight to landrush) is entire neutral and "clean." The answers to
>>> the above questions are simple: money.
>>> 
>>> No need to reinvent the wheel here. Money has always been the way to
>>> solve these allocation issues for scarce resources. Once you start
>>> interfering in that (to suggest that someone is "more deserving" of
>>> the asset), it invites the gaming we're seeing.
>>> 
>>> It'd be interesting to know the stats on average domains registered in
>>> sunrise, by the way, if anyone has those handy. i.e. we know that on
>>> average 130 per TLD are registered in sunrise. How many more are being
>>> registered in landrush, on average?
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> George Kirikos
>>> 416-588-0269
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