[gnso-rpm-wg] A Brave New World Without Sunrises or the TMCH

Tue Apr 18 09:45:19 UTC 2017

Good points, thanks Marina for raising these.

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Agreed. Thanks Marina.

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+ 1. Thanks Marina.

Sent from my iPhone, sorry for typos

On 14 Apr 2017, at 19:24, Marina Lewis <marina at dns-law.com<mailto:marina at dns-law.com>> wrote:

Jeremy,

Except that real life doesn't pan out like that.  In my experience as a trademark practitioner, my clients are not interested in gobbling up domain names for registration's sake - and absorbing the administrative and financial headaches that this entails.  Rather, most brand owners are primarily concerned with stopping the registration of domains names that genuinely cause confusion with consumers, or which pose a potential threat to consumer and public safety (e.g., phishing, malware, etc.).  A domain name registration along the lines you suggest below simply does not reflect that business reality.

That said, I am not so naïve to suppose that this never happens by a trademark owner acting in bad faith, but I am not aware of any evidence to suggest this is the norm.  Moreover, the greater threat are the instances where domain investors/resellers/scalpers (choose your preferred terminology) register domain names which they have no bona fide interest in using, apart from reselling it at a profit to a party interested in using it for legitimate purposes – aka, a brand owner.  This is exactly the type of “abuse” the TMCH was designed to prevent.

Marina

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On 13/4/17 8:47 pm, Greg Shatan wrote:

> However, I don't think number 2 qualifies as gaming or abuse -- except

> to the extent the trademark owner is being gamed or abused. Indeed,

> one of the failed assumptions of the New gTLD Program seems to have

> been that trademark owners would buy even more defensive registrations

> than they did.

So there's nothing wrong with a company that has a trademark for computers sunrise registering that trademark in a gTLD that relates to fruit on the strength of its computer trademark, locking out those who would actually use that domain name to sell fruit?  Sounds like abuse to me.

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