[gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for RPM Working Group call on 16 August

Tue Aug 15 21:17:42 UTC 2017

We have a consensus list of data we are gathering. This list went through multiple iterations, all of which you were privy to. Given this reality, I (in my personal capacity) strongly object to expanding our list simply because you and a small minority refuse to accept that Sunrise registrations are here to stay. A better use of our time, is to focus on solutions to the problems identified with the system.

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> On Aug 15, 2017, at 1:48 PM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Reviewing the two PDFs, can you incorporate some of the additional
> potential data sources/research related to sunrise that were discussed
> on the mailing list this past week? Namely:
> 
> 1. Whether sunrise-registered domains (defensive registrations) are
> associated with a reduction in value-added services (SSL, SEO,
> webdesign, hosting, etc.) relative to non-sunrise registrations, as
> per email:
> 
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> Data sources could include surveys of "retail" consumer-facing
> registrars such (GoDaddy, Endurance, etc.) and/or their reseller
> channels/networks (value-added partners).
> 
> This goes to the question of weighing the costs/benefits of sunrises
> (i.e. focusing on the "costs" to other competing entities who could
> have used those domain names for more than just defensive
> registrations, but were denied equal access to those domains).
> 
> 2. Legal searches (Westlaw, USPTO cases, etc.) to find whether any
> examples of "genericide" have been related to unauthorized domain name
> registrations (cybersquatting). See point #1(c) of:
> 
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> 
> rebutting the assertion that sunrises are required because trademark
> owners "Must protect their TMs or risk having them cancelled"
> 
> Presumably no one challenged that assertion when creating the sunrises
> for the RPMs. Let's look at actual data/statistics, to see whether the
> risk was actually real or not. If few/no such cases exist, then that's
> evidence that the risk is minimal or zero.
> 
> 3. To measure "costs" of the sunrise period in terms of depriving that
> registry of "oxygen" through a reduction of active sites found "in the
> wild", perhaps do a statistical study on registry growth rates and
> their relationship to sunrise size. See discussion between Volker and
> myself at:
> 
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> [John McCormac of HosterStats mentioned to me outside this list the
> example of the large .xxx sunrise too,  where large swaths of unused
> domains might have hampered its future growth] A statistical study
> could examine this more scientifically and rigorously, rather than
> just relying on anecdotes and personal observations.
> 
> 4. For the list of domain name industry blogs (document point #6)
> where sunrises were discussed and where data was shared, a good
> starting point would be the list at:
> 
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> (and then check each individual blog, e.g. TheDomains.com, DNW.com,
> DomainInvesting.com, DomainIncite.com, OnlineDomain.com, CircleID.com
> and many others)
> 
> Some of these blogs offer "sponsored posts", which might be worth
> considering to solicit feedback or help with public outreach on the
> various surveys that are planned.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> George Kirikos
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> 
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org> wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The proposed agenda for our next Working Group call, scheduled for this
>> Wednesday 16 August at 1700 UTC, is as follows:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Roll call (via Adobe Connect and phone bridge only); updates to Statements
>> of Interest
>> Review updated, more targeted Sunrise data collection proposal (based on the
>> Working Group discussion on 9 August call)
>> Review initial collated draft proposal for data collection on Trademark
>> Claims
>> Next steps/next meeting
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For Agenda Item #2, you can see from the attached document that we have
>> reorganized the multiple data collection tasks (previously listed according
>> to the corresponding Sunrise Charter question) into three main groupings:
>> (I) tasks that staff can initiate immediately; (II) topics organized by
>> format (mostly surveys) and target group (e.g. ICANN stakeholder groups,
>> external communities); and (III) topics that are likely to require
>> professional assistance. Although we are asking for overall review and
>> comments on the entire document, the bullets in Group (II), starting on Page
>> 2, are where Working Group input is most needed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For Agenda Item #3, we have based the initial proposal (attached) on the
>> same format as was used last week for the initial Sunrise data gathering
>> discussion. You will see that, as with Sunrise, there are quite a few
>> overlapping suggestions for format (e.g. survey), target groups, and
>> reliance on professional resources. You will see also that it may make sense
>> in some cases to combine the data request for Sunrise and Claims.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Staff is continuing to work with the Working Group co-chairs to prepare a
>> combined data and metrics resource request for the GNSO Council, in respect
>> of all data collection suggestions that the Working Group agrees can benefit
>> from professional assistance. Your feedback on Agenda Item #3 will therefore
>> be very helpful, as it was for Sunrise.
>> 
>> 
>> We will post both documents on the Working Group wiki space ahead of the
>> Wednesday call as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks and cheers
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Amr Elsadr
>> <amr.elsadr at icann.org>
>> Date: Friday, August 11, 2017 at 17:24
>> To: "gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>
>> Subject: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items - GNSO Review of All RPMs in All gTLD
>> PDP WG Call - 9 August 2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Working Group Members,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Apologies about the delay in delivery, but below are the action items from
>> Wednesday’s WG call. The action items, notes, meeting materials, recordings
>> and transcripts have all also been posted on the meeting’s wiki page here:
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Amr
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Action Items:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Staff to identify what data collection efforts will require surveys being
>> conducted using professional assistance, and prepare a proposal to seek this
>> assistance for conducting surveys, and share with the co-chairs prior to
>> sharing with the WG and GNSO Council for their consideration
>> Staff to begin conducting a LexisNexis search for articles resulting from
>> investigative reporting on domains registered during Sunrise that have been
>> noted to have an impact on free expression, fair use, and the ability of
>> registrants to register domains, and share results with the WG
>> Staff to identify which contracted parties are publicly traded, so that WG
>> is aware that their annual reports should be publicly available in
>> compliance with SEC regulations
>> Staff to identify what data is already currently available, and report this
>> to the co-chairs on Friday – staff should begin collection of this data
>> immediately
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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