[gnso-rpm-wg] Critique of INTA survey

claudio di gangi ipcdigangi at gmail.com
Wed Aug 30 21:49:18 UTC 2017

I agree with Kristine.


Are you aware of other surveys commissioned on the costs imposed by the new
gTLD program that we can review?

Personally, I believe the responsibility of conducting this falls on ICANN,
since ICANN is the organization that has responsibility over coordinating
the DNS, introducing new gTLDs, and for the aftermath that follows.

Has the Board directed that these studies be commissioned? If not, why not?
The organization has known about these issues for a long time, in fact, the
call for economic study was one of the main issues identified during
implementation of the program.

In my view, INTA and those who expended the time and energy to complete
this work, should be commended for taking on this substantial and complex

Mary's note described the context of this work, and Lori stated that
feedback and constructive criticism is both welcome and encouraged.

As a result, I am confident we are following the right path.


On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 5:23 PM Dorrain, Kristine via gnso-rpm-wg <
gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org> wrote:

> Hi George,
> As I recall, no one has offered this survey into evidence as conclusive
> proof of anything.  Both subteams (sunrise and claims) called for the WG to
> review as many data sources as possible, including mere anecdotes. Both
> subteams were well aware of the limited data available for scrutiny.  I
> think your (and Kurt's) observations are meaningful, in that they will
> spark a relevant discussion, but that does not mean the WG should ignore
> the user stories.  Thirty-three companies took significant time and
> resources to provide their feedback and it's incumbent upon us to at least
> listen.
> This WG, though the co-chairs, have asked Lori to present the survey.  I
> think our responsibility here is to listen respectfully and determine what
> we may be able to use or build on.
> Thanks,
> Kristine
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org]
> On Behalf Of George Kirikos
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:35 PM
> To: gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Critique of INTA survey
> Hi Theo,
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:23 PM, theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > From my perspective, there is this survey that George questions due to
> > the low amount of participants.
> It wasn't just the small sample size. It's also the fact that it's a
> non-random, self-selected and entirely unrepresentative sample.
> For example, if you wanted to determine the average height of adults in
> the USA, and survey 3000 current or former NBA players, that would be a
> large sample size. However, it would fail the other part, namely being
> non-random, entirely unrepresentative of the entire population of adults,
> etc.
> The combination of both defects in the INTA study (small sample size, and
> also non-random) makes the study essentially worthless for saying anything
> about the larger population it purports to represent.
> Lori talked about "Everything we do is a learning." The only learning that
> will happen tonight, unfortunately, is a lesson in how not to a proper
> survey. That might be of some value, in helping to design the future
> surveys (e.g. making them much shorter, to encourage greater number of
> responses; doing proper randomization, like the other study I mentioned in
> my first email of this thread, investing more money, etc.). Nielsen
> obviously knows how to do things right -- they're a highly respectable
> organization. Unfortunately in this instance, what they produced can't
> withstand scrutiny.
> Sincerely,
> George Kirikos
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