[gnso-rpm-wg] [renamed] Geographic indications
Kathy Kleiman
kathy at kathykleiman.com
Wed Feb 8 17:36:04 UTC 2017
Tx you for all the responses. Geographic indications, geographic
indicators and geographic names all seem to be subject to range of uses
- both ordinary definitions and terms of art. I think the larger point
is that people are putting into the TMCH Database geographic terms that
may have wide-ranging ramifications - including becoming part of block
lists.
We now have some evidence of actual cases and uses. I look forward to
exploring the ramifications, impacts, and perhaps unintended
consequences, with the Working Group.
Best, Kathy
On 2/8/2017 11:58 AM, trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com wrote:
>
> Kathy,
>
> I would note that at least for the first 3 marks listed below, they
> are not being used as geographic indicators. Rather, they are
> registered in connection with the following goods/services:
>
> Class 09: Apparatus for recording, transmission or reproduction of
> sound, images or data; Data carriers of all types with and without
> data; Software; Electronic publications [downloadable]; Data
> processing equipment; Computer
>
> class 35: Advertising; Online advertising in a computer network;
> Publication of printed products [also in electronic form] for
> advertising purposes; Presentation of companies on the Internet and
> other media; Mediation of trade and economic contacts, also via the
> Internet; Public relations [public relations]; Managing directors;
> Business administration; Office work; Compilation, updating and
> maintenance of data in computer databases; Systematization of data in
> computer databases; Collecting and arranging of topic-referred press
> articles
>
> Class 38: Providing access to computer programs on data networks;
> Providing access to information on the Internet, in particular via
> smartphones; Providing access to server services on the Internet;
> Providing Internet chatrooms; Providing online conversation folders
> and electronic mailboxes for transferring messages between users to
> software applications; Providing portals on the Internet; Computer
> support, namely providing access to software program versions via
> websites, by e-mail, telephone and other terminals suitable for
> telecommunications as support services for troubleshooting; Wireless
> electronic transmission of data, documents, information, messages and
> software applications; Electronic transmission and streaming of
> digital content to third parties via worldwide and local computer
> networks; E-mail services; Message and image transmission by computer;
> Telecommunications, in particular telecommunications via platforms and
> portals on the Internet; Providing access to databases; Forwarding all
> kinds of Internet addresses [Web messaging]
>
> As discussed any times before, a dictionary word or name of a place
> can have a different meaning depending on the context. In some
> contexts the word can have source indicative (i.e., trademark) meaning
> when used in connection with goods or services unrelated to the word.
> In other contexts, the word can have generic or descriptive meaning.
> For example, APPLE has source indicating/trademark meaning when used
> in connection with computers and devices, but generic or descriptive
> meaning when used in connection with apples. Similarly, “Rome” could
> be used as a geographic indicator to refer to the city in Italy in one
> context or have source indicating/trademark meaning in another, such
> as ROME Furntiture.
>
> Furthermore, since the example below says “registrants”, presumably
> the clams notice did deter them from registering the names, which it
> should not have if they are making a fair or descriptive use of the names.
>
> Best regards,
>
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> *From:*gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathy Kleiman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2017 10:24 AM
> *To:* massimo at origin-gi.com; gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* [gnso-rpm-wg] [renamed] Geographic indications
>
> Massimo,
>
> Tx you for posting information about Geographic Indications. Others
> responded privately to share that they see geographic terms and
> indicators in the TMCH Database - some of which are coming from
> design/style/figurative marks (linking TMCH charter questions 7 and 8).
>
> Specifically, John Berryhill shares that registrants he works with
> have received TM Claims Notices for:
>
> - Munich ---
> https://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/marke/register/3020130626206/DE
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__register.dpma.de_DPMAregister_marke_register_3020130626206_DE&d=DwMDaQ&c=2s2mvbfY0UoSKkl6_Ol9wg&r=L7MB7eHT-UoCXD4iA3c7Sm3JrKXt7T1dG3NjBzCxm1c&m=mOjUqh2jGqkyLM0GsTBemiVvTUIIrhE1cnR-JgjohS0&s=-ilAU1MAaJUL-TG2B6iSrSFzOpqlkYqIZcsrnt6BMl0&e=>
>
>
> - Muenchen ---
> https://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/marke/register/3020130626192/DE
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__register.dpma.de_DPMAregister_marke_register_3020130626192_DE&d=DwMDaQ&c=2s2mvbfY0UoSKkl6_Ol9wg&r=L7MB7eHT-UoCXD4iA3c7Sm3JrKXt7T1dG3NjBzCxm1c&m=mOjUqh2jGqkyLM0GsTBemiVvTUIIrhE1cnR-JgjohS0&s=omKayKP9cG7bgeZpFzA8o97o8p-KfL_RWdA4jDtVNyM&e=>
>
> - Munchen ---
> https://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/marke/register/3020130626214/DE
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__register.dpma.de_DPMAregister_marke_register_3020130626214_DE&d=DwMDaQ&c=2s2mvbfY0UoSKkl6_Ol9wg&r=L7MB7eHT-UoCXD4iA3c7Sm3JrKXt7T1dG3NjBzCxm1c&m=mOjUqh2jGqkyLM0GsTBemiVvTUIIrhE1cnR-JgjohS0&s=TN4bwErzPTxS3VKDpoKH_LZx1RHp2FDylEzyY2dqYrI&e=>
>
> - Tahiti - French trademark
>
> - Ireland -- UK trademark
>
> He notes that the registrants were using the domain names in
> geographically descriptive ways.
>
> Best, Kathy
>
> On 2/7/2017 11:04 AM, Massimo wrote:
>
> Dear Mary,
>
> I am not sure I understand the answer provided to question 8 on
> Geographical Indications: /As of January 2017, no registry
> operator has pursued the option of including marks within the
> category of “"Other marks that constitute intellectual property
> and meet a registry's individual requirements"./
>
> I am aware of at least one case where a Geographical Indication
> has been submitted under TMCH guidelines 2.4.1 and accepted as
> Geographical Indication. It might well be the only case. But,
> again, I am not sure I understand the answer provided to question 8.
>
> Best,
>
> Massimo
>
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> *From:*gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
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> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong
> *Sent:* 06 February 2017 15:50
> *To:* gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [gnso-rpm-wg] Second table summarizing TMCH Charter
> questions, relevant input and potential follow up
>
> Dear all,
>
> Following on the circulation of the previous summary table of the
> questions, input and discussions so far on TMCH Charter Questions
> categories 1 and 2 (below), please find attached a similar summary
> table for the remaining categories (3 – 6). As the Working Group
> has yet to begin discussing these, staff has taken the liberty of
> adding what we believe to be relevant background information from
> the community comments to the TMCH that were provided for the 2015
> RPM Paper.
>
> We will post both tables to the Working Group wiki for your easy
> reference as well.
>
> Thanks and cheers
>
> Mary
>
> *From: *Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 18:18
> *To: *"gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>"
> <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Table summarizing TMCH Charter questions, WG follow up
> questions, and input from Deloitte and Registry Operators
>
> Dear all,
>
> As discussed at the end of the Working Group call yesterday, staff
> has begun to compile a table that combines the agreed TMCH Charter
> questions with the relevant Working Group follow up questions,
> Deloitte response (if any), and (where applicable) input that was
> received from various registry operators and the Registries
> Stakeholder Group (note that the Registries SG is the only
> community group so far that has provided us with a response to our
> initial solicitation for input from all the various Supporting
> Organizations, Advisory Committees and GNSO Stakeholder Groups and
> Constituencies).
>
> Attached is the compilation we have done for TMCH Categories 1
> (Education) and 2 (Verification and Updating of TMCH Data). As
> Kathy and others noted on the call, not all questions have direct
> responses, and in some cases we have inserted what we thought
> might be relevant information even if it is not an actual reply.
> Do let us know if you spot any inaccuracies or omissions.
>
> We hope you find the document useful. If we may, we suggest that
> you review it with a view toward identifying the following:
>
> ·*/What additional data or follow up input is needed, and from
> whom, to complete our review of these aspects of the TMCH?/*
>
> ·*/What additional data or follow up input should we request from
> Deloitte, including for our expected discussion with them at
> ICANN58?/*
>
> *//*
>
> Please note that we have not yet included any information from the
> Analysis Group’s review of the TMCH, as we understand that a Final
> Report will be forthcoming from them shortly, and possibly before
> ICANN58. We will incorporate any relevant data once the Final
> Report is out, and will in the meantime continue working on a
> table for the remaining TMCH Charter categories and questions.
>
> The full Deloitte response to the TMCH Data Gathering questions
> and the three responses we received to the set of
> Registry-directed questions can be found here:
> https://community.icann.org/x/_pHRAw
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>
>
> The full Registries Stakeholder Group response to our early
> solicitation for overall input can be found here:
> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/59643854/RySG%20RPM%20Response_05JUL16.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1468352438000&api=v2
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_59643854_RySG-2520RPM-2520Response-5F05JUL16.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1468352438000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMDaQ&c=2s2mvbfY0UoSKkl6_Ol9wg&r=L7MB7eHT-UoCXD4iA3c7Sm3JrKXt7T1dG3NjBzCxm1c&m=mOjUqh2jGqkyLM0GsTBemiVvTUIIrhE1cnR-JgjohS0&s=pYnmfdJT0T2YnwjwuF10ZkyTBa3KLsqX9ZFv-2wmcQo&e=>.
>
>
> Thanks and cheers
>
> Mary
>
> Mary Wong
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