[gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History

Tue Jan 3 19:41:01 UTC 2017

I have no insights as to why this trademark owner chose the URS instead of
the UDRP, but certainly the filing fee for this URS case (as I noted in my
blog post) was much less than a UDRP complaint would have cost.  At the
Forum (where this URS complaint was filed -- and where the same trademark
owner has filed previous UDRP cases), the filing fee for a URS case with
more than 50 domain names is only $500; by comparison, the Forum doesn't
even publish a fee schedule for UDRP cases with more than 16 domain names
(and the UDRP filing fee for a complaint with 15 domain names is $2,250).
Clearly, the UDRP filing fee would have been many times more expensive than
for the URS case.  Since trademark owners often consider costs when
evaluating enforcement options, I suspect this may have been a factor.

Doug

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Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History

Thanks for sharing Phil and Doug.

This case is an interesting data point of a brand holder deciding to use the
URS over the UDRP.  We developed the RPMs with the hope that brand holders
would utilize the RPMs that made the most sense to them to protect their
brands.  The URS was developed for slam-dunk cases of infringement.  We
wanted to create a quicker and less costly way to take down infringing
domain names.  There was a deliberate distinction between the standard of
proof and remedies with the URS and the UDRP.  If these distinctions didn't
exist, there would not have been a purpose for the URS.  It would be
interesting to understand why a brand holder like this one selected to use
the URS over the UDRP -- and especially whether they understood the risk
that Kiran mentioned.

Look forward to the discussion at the appropriate time.

Best,

Jon

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:13 PM, <trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com>
<trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com> wrote:
> 
> How does one decision signify whether a particular RPM is under, over, or
appropriately utilized? I think this can only be determined / analyzed in
the aggregate.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Marc H.Trachtenberg
> Shareholder
> Greenberg Traurig, LLP
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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Jonathan Frost
<jonathan at get.club<mailto:jonathan at get.club>> wrote:
> 
> I have to agree with Reg here.  One argument I've heard against URS
working is that it is underutilized, and cases like this seem to undermine
that argument (although no single case or outcome should be considered
dispositive).
> 
> Jonathan
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> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Reg Levy
> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:35 PM
> To: Kiran Malancharuvil 
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> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History
> 
> My point was that a matter was successfully brought under the RPMs (my
point would stand for matters unsuccessfully brought under the RPMs). That
cybersquatting exists is not in dispute. Nor is it our-or ICANN's-job to
cause cybersquatting to no longer exist. The matter was a URS, which was a
new-to-new-gTLDs RPM and (supposedly) cheaper than the UDRP.
> 
> If this does not signify that RPMs work, does it signify that they do not?
> 
> Reg Levy
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> On 3 Jan 2017, at 10:30, Kiran Malancharuvil via gnso-rpm-wg
<gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
> 
> Agree with Doug and Marc, I would be curious to understand the thinking
further.
> 
> Also, it will be interesting to see what happens to all of these names
when the suspension period is over.
> 
> K
> 
> Kiran Malancharuvil
> Policy Counselor
> MarkMonitor
> 415-419-9138 (m)
> 
> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
> 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:27 AM,
"trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com>"
<trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com>> wrote:
> 
> Agreed. How does one large URS filling indicate that the RPMs are working?
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Marc H.Trachtenberg
> Shareholder
> Greenberg Traurig, LLP
> 77 West Wacker Drive
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> Mobile (773) 677-3305
> 
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Doug Isenberg
<disenberg at gigalawfirm.com<mailto:disenberg at gigalawfirm.com><mailto:disenber
g at gigalawfirm.com>> wrote:
> 
> As the author of the blog post that Phil shared, I disagree with Reg's
conclusion below (and am quite unsure how that conclusion was reached).
This URS case is interesting because its size makes it unusual (and, indeed,
unprecedented).  It is not indicative of any trend about RPMs in general or
the URS in particular.  If anything, it is a reminder that there are many
domain name registrants - even in the new gTLDs -  who continue to engage in
cybersquatting on a large-scale, despite the RPMs such as the URS.
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> 
> Douglas M. Isenberg
> Attorney at Law
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> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Reg Levy
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> To: Philip S. Corwin 
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> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History
> 
> Which seems to indicate that the current RPMs are working.
> 
> Reg Levy
> VP Compliance + Policy | Minds + Machines Group Limited
> C: +1-310-963-7135
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> On 3 Jan 2017, at 09:34, Phil Corwin
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> FYI, on December 21, 2016 NAF suspended 474 DN variants of Ashley
Furniture in a single URS filing.
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